Enjoy the horror, thumb doctor. And don't forget
to watch the big giveaway afterwards.
Why, Cochrane? Why? Do I need a reason?
Mr. Kupfer was right, you know. I do love
a good joke, and this is the best ever. A joke on the children.
But there's a better reason. You don't really
know much about Halloween. You thought no
further than the strange custom of having your children wear masks and go out begging
for candy.
It was the start of the year in our old Celtic lands. And we'd
be waiting in our houses of waters and clay.
The barriers would be down, you see, between the real and
the unreal. And the dead might be looking in to
sit by our fires of turf.
Halloween,
the festival of Samhain, the last great one, took place
3,000 years ago. And the hills ran red with
the blood of animals and children. Sacrifices.
Part of our world, our craft.
Witchcraft. To us, it was a way of controlling our environment.
It's not so different now. It's time again.
In the end, we don't decide these things,
you know, the planets do.
They're in alignment. And it's time again.
The world's going to change tonight, Doctor. I'm glad
you'll be able to watch it.
And.
Happy Halloween.
It's 2Dads1 movie.
Shocktoberfest. A celebration of the spookiest movies
of the 80s and 90s. Now, here are your hosts,
Scary Steve Paulo and Nightmare Nick.
Briana. Hello, everybody. It's another episode of
2 Dads 1 Movie. I'm Steve. And I'm Nick. And today we are talking about
the frightful kind of cult classic at this point,
certainly not a classic in any other sense. Halloween 3, Season of
the Witch from 1982, the only Halloween movie to
not feature Michael Myers. And that was like, a huge problem for it.
People get mad when you take out the main thing. Yeah, yeah.
It'd be like, oh, this is A Nightmare on Elm Street 5. Where's Freddy?
No, no, no, no, no, man. We're doing something different here.
In all seriousness, Halloween 3 was an attempt by Carpenter and the
kind of other filmmakers involved to turn the Halloween franchise into an
anthology about Halloween, about the holiday Halloween.
And so they were like, oh, well, we're going to have this other story that
is honestly pretty batshit, pretty crazy, but about Halloween.
And we're going to call it Halloween 3. And really, if this movie had
just come out called Season of the Witch, maybe it would have been received.
Right. I think it's definitely hurt by being associated with an expectation.
People already. Exactly. And we'll get into all of that.
This episode. So I picked this one,
and this is a first for me here in our 33rd episode,
which would make this something like my 16th or 17th choice. Exactly how it
works out, you know, But I'd never seen Halloween 3,
and I selected it because I wanted to pick it for the last of our
Shocktoberfest choices, which this is. This is the last, you know,
this movie. If you're listening to this on the day the episode came out,
it is the last Wednesday in October. So this is the last of our Shocktoberfest
films. And I just wanted to explain this one. I wanted to see it for
the final. I knew about it. I knew about its lore and the. The sort
of, you know, anthology thing and people being mad about no Michael Myers. Like,
I was aware of all that and I wanted to see it and talk to
you about it, Nick. And so I think, you know, it's an interesting choice.
Normally I pick things that I'm picking because I love them, because I've seen them
multiple times and they're great. This is more like, let's explore this. Let's see.
Let's see what. This is what the hubbub is all about. Right? No, I definitely
get that. And so I haven't seen it either.
And actually this is, this is a confession to make that
will probably generate a lot of angry emails. There's certain movies that I've never seen
that I know people would get fucking furious before. This is
the first of any of the Halloween movies I've ever seen. Okay, that's a little
unfortunate. Only because the rest of them are very different. So in a sense you've
still never seen a Halloween. So I mean, so that's good. But I mean,
I know, you know, obviously I know who Michael Myers is.
Like, I love, you know, the Love Guru. I love Austin Powers.
3. Like, so I'm sure Mike Myers. Nick. That's Mike
Myers. Different. Different guy. But yeah, so especially like not being a
horror guy until very recently as we're like, doing it, which is really fun.
Yeah. But yeah, this is the first of the Halloween films I've seen.
Nice. And that's kind of my perspective coming into it. This is,
I think, the third or maybe if it's more now movie
we've seen on the podcast that involves John Carpenter. He was. Did not direct this
movie, but he was. He's a producer and he co wrote the score and you
know, go back to watch the thing. Go back to watch they Live. Go back
to watch the original Halloween. Like, John Carpenter scores are tremendous. Like, he. He has
a very unique style. Yeah. He is as identifiable
to me as Danny Elfman is. When Danny Elfman does a score, you hear
it, you go, that's a Danny Elfman score. Yeah. Like, certain musicians, you can hear
their. Their choices in all the music that they make. I feel like I can
kind of do that with, like, John Williams maybe, but that's more because I recognize
the actual things he wrote. I couldn't tell you off the top, is that a
Howard Shore or an Alan Silvestri or, you know, a lot of other great composers
that do a bunch of, like, great, great movies, but I can't pick them out.
John Carpenter and Danny Elfman, I can pick them out for sure. You know.
Right. They. They have a signature. Absolutely. Sure. Yeah. So. All right, so let's.
Let's just go ahead and jump into the facts because we got a lot to
get into with this psychotic movie. That's great. So Halloween 3 Season of the
Witch was released on October 22, 19, 1982, just a little bit before Halloween,
with an R rating. It has a running time of 98 minutes, was directed by
Tommy Lee Wallace. The movie was written by Tommy Lee Wallace, John Carpenter,
and Nigel Neal. It stars Tom Atkins, Stacey Nelkin,
and Dan o'. Herlihy. This is the second time we've seen Dan o'. Hurlihi.
I don't know if you noticed, if you recognized him from. I found that out
this morning, but I'm gonna let you do that one. Nice scores.
Okay. Rotten tomatoes, 49%, which is definitely rotten.
Not fresh. Right around that half mark on IMDb, a 5.2,
which. That might be the lowest IMDb score we've had. I'm not positive
that's bad IMDb. I'd have to look back at Pacific Heights. I feel like that
might have been around there. But very low IMDb score.
And then Siskel and Ebert. So Roger Ebert gave a thumbs down to Halloween three
season of. Which makes sense to me, Gene Siskel, who I'll remind listeners
from last week, he gave the Silence of the Lambs a
thumbs down for its depressing brutality. He's a thumbs
up on Halloween. I think Gene Siskel
was just a contrarian for contrarian, contrarian sake kind of thing. Like, I think he
just likes to go against the grain and against the tide because it makes no
sense. This should have been a two thumbs down. Six. Six women get killed or
every kid gets killed. What's. What's too dark for you, Gene Awards.
It didn't win any. Damn it. Okay. On a $2.5 million budget,
which, again, pretty impressive when you think about the effects. Again, in 1982,
2.5 million went a lot further than it would in like, 92 or. But,
you know, a couple years later, just a couple. Two years later, a Nightmare on
Elm street comes out for 1.8 million. And we were blown away by that.
A lot of great effects in this one as well. 2.5 million did return.
14.4 million at the box office, 5.8 times its budget. So it's
a commercial success. There's no way not to see it. I will point out,
however, more than half of the money made by this movie was made in
the first weekend that it was released. And then it saw about a 50% drop
one week and then an 80% drop off the second week to the third week
before it was removed from theaters. So basically, word of mouth got around that Michael
Myers is not in this one, and people stopped going. So you got that bump
initially of like, there's a new Halloween, Halloween 3. Da da da da. And like,
you know, I'm sure the trailers. I didn't not actually look to see what the
one. The original trailers looks like, but I kind of wish I had. Now.
It was probably pretty vague. It was probably very Carpenter score,
Halloween is Back or whatever. Jack o' Lantern logo,
the whole deal. And so it probably. Maybe even with the knife, who knows?
But, like, the point is people thought they were getting a Michael Myers movie.
Yep. And they showed up and they got whatever the fuck this
is. All right. That's the facts on
Halloween 3, season of the Witch. All right. Oh, man.
Okay, so. Yeah. What do we do here?
Well, one thing I do want to say is I think the intro is very
cool. It's like very 1982 kind of computer graphics,
very zoomed in. We kind of don't know exactly what's happening on the screen,
but the different lines and the pulses and stuff and the music goes well
together. And this is a time like we didn't have technology
in our pocket everywhere we went. And we had a different. And I'll maybe talk
more about this later, but we had a different attitude towards a lot of the
shit that is just very normal to us nowadays. Yeah, for sure. So, I mean,
you could be ominous computer. Like that's a thing. Ominous computer
stuff. I mean, computers back then took up whole rooms, Right. So, yeah, I mean,
it's like, you know. But the John Carpenter Score, like, really,
really stands out. One thing I do want to mention that your note
here, the writer, Nigel Neal. One thing I read is that he kind of,
like, disavowed this film and he bailed on it. I mean, he'd already
written it and certain parts got rewritten, but he basically bailed because the producer
was demanding that it be bloodier than it was. He wanted, like, more gore
and stuff in it. And this guy was a. He's a British writer, and he
had done certain, like, British horror in the 60s was very well regarded, but I
think it's not as, like, over the top with the gore and stuff. So he
really didn't like that. And he was just like, I'm out. Like, I want my
name taken off the credits. So I think if you look at the credits in
the movie, he's not on there. Interesting. And I don't think that the. The Writers
Guild of America has an Alan Smithy. Do you know about the Alan Smithy thing?
Is that, like a fake? Like the name you use if someone doesn't want their
name on it? Yeah. The Directors Guild specifically has this option for its union members
where if you're a director on a film and based on, you know, not having
final cut basically in the. The studio or whoever kind of takes over and,
like, the movie is not what you intended it to be. And when all said
and done, you're. You can't. The movie can have been directed by no one,
but you can take your name off of it. And the name that
would be replaced officially in the credits is Alan Smithy. There's a very funny
movie that I love, a mockumentary called Burn Hollywood Burn, an Alan Smithy film that
is about a fictional man whose real name is Alan Smithy
who gets screwed over by his studio and therefore can't. He wants to take his
name off the film, but he can't because his name is Alan Smithee. And that
movie, Burn Hollywood Burn is credited to Alan Smithee because the actual director had the
same problem with the studio. So the film itself is now in
Smithy film. It's very, very funny. Honestly. One will do at some point on the
pod, but let's move forward. But that is interesting. Also, you said the guy's.
The guy was British. I could have told you that. His name is Nigel.
Yeah. Not a lot of. Not a lot of Nigel's being born in Omaha.
No, not a lot of Wisconsin, Nigel. That's true. Yeah. All right,
so let's kick it off. So Halloween 3, season of the witch. We do get
this intro, which is just based the credits and all these little lines and the
music. And it just. It ends up showing us this, like, you know, Jack O'
lantern graphic. Right. This computer graphic of a Jack O Lantern. It looks
ominous in a sense, but it also kind of looks like a kid's thing.
It looks playful. If you had like a glow in the dark Etch A Sketch,
that's like kind of what the Jack O Lantern would look like. Yeah, exactly.
There you go. Exactly. And so. Yes. Or like a light bright. Almost light bright.
All right, so then we cut to. It's like nighttime. It just. The title
card just says Northern California. It's like dark out. And there's a
man running down the street. And he's clutching this orange.
You know, it looks like a mask, and it is a mask, but it's this
orange, like cloth or whatever in his hand. And he's running. There's clearly a car
chasing after him. He, like, ducks into like a. Like a junkyard or something.
Yep. Does a piss poor job of hiding. Kind of like tries to get through
a door. Doesn't really duck down at first. He's surrounded by every good hiding
space you could ever imagine. Right. And he does suck at it. Very bad.
Very bad at hiding. So he's kind of hiding from this car. The car
goes past, he thinks maybe he's okay. It comes back, oh, no, they're coming to
me. So he tries to run, at which point he is stopped. You know,
he's kind of back, and he is stopped by a man in a suit,
wearing black, like, leather gloves, like very oj. And you know,
he kind of attacks him and knocks him down. The man
in the suit, and he starts, like, choking him, choking him out. Now the
guy who's got the mask, whatever, he like, pulls on a chain that's on the
ground. Yeah. And it's got like a block that's holding a car in place,
like under the tire. And I love this scene because it really gives us an
indication that this dude in the suit is not okay. There's something weird about him
because the car starts rolling towards them and the dude
has literally zero reaction. He looks over, sees the
car coming, no reaction. And it literally crushes him. Lets it hit him. Yeah.
He just kind of gets squished sideways and our man is able to escape from
there. Right. I mean, interesting. Like you're writing a movie like this. I think a
big part of the spitballing process is what are some interesting ways that people can
get killed. And, like, that's one I haven't really seen before, is dislodging the wedge
from underneath the car tire and having it roll and, you know, kill the
guy who's trying to kill you. So, yeah, he gets out of
that, you know, and then he's able to kind of, you know,
keep running away. Right. He runs and he's trying to get help. Yeah. And he
runs to a gas station, basically. Right? And he runs to the gas station
and there is a TV ad on the TV
in the gas station. Yeah, Right. And it's. It's like,
eight more days to Halloween, Halloween, Halloween. Eight more days
to Halloween, Silver Shamrock. And we're gonna hear that 50
more times. And then, of course, it counts down seven more days, five days,
like, whatever. Right. Tomorrow, two more days of whatever it is. But that's. This ad
keeps playing, and it's basically like, hey, kids, like, come get one of these three
masks. They're the best masks you can get. Now, I will say, in the grand
scheme of early 80s Halloween masks, these were awesome. Oh, yeah. They're like latex.
They're like full head. They look really cool. Like, there's a skeleton,
a witch and a pumpkin, like, jack o' lantern head. They all look amazing compared
to, like, the plastic with the little strap that we used to have back then.
So. So the guy, like, goes and he's, like.
Basically collapses at the gas station, I think. Yeah. So he's trying to get help
from the guy at the gas station, and he's basically saying, like, they're coming,
coming. They're gonna kill us all. He has this mask in his hand and kind
of collapses there. I think also, before it shows the Silver
Shamrock commercial, it's kind of a news report talking about how there is
a missing stone from Stonehenge. Oh, that's right. Yes, that's right. And they're trying to
find that one. Of the blue stones from Stonehenge that's. Dropped in there as well.
How many? Five tons. What did it say? I can't remember how much it said.
It said it weighed a lot. Yeah, crazy. Crazy weight, though. Shout out to
Stonehenge. We also saw you in the Spinal Tap film, so it's good to see
another appearance by that actor.
So, yeah, so we see that.
And the man kind of is like, they're coming, they're coming. You know, very ominous.
And that's it. Right, right. For that scene. Right,
exactly. And cuts to a scene. We have a father who's coming home to his
family. Well, we have a man who's coming home to someone.
He's got a couple of paper bags with him. He comes in and the.
My initial reaction was that his wife. It's his wife and two kids. Or a
woman and his two kids are clear that they're, you know, they. Dad's home.
Dad, dad, whatever. I was like, this woman is awful. She's just immediately like.
Like, oh, you're late. But I'm used to it. Like, all this stuff. Whatever.
And then I realized, oh, this is his ex wife. Like, this isn't like a
current marriage. Yeah. And so it's the bitch ex wife
archetype. Exactly. Right. Which. And he's the deadbeat dad archetype.
He's awful. But, yeah. Like, this is our hero, by the way. This is the
character played by Tom Atkins. What are we going to call him? Dr. Dan.
Yeah. Or just Dan. Dan. I don't know Dan.
Is it Chilton? Because that was Chilton. Because that's Silence of the Lambs. But it's
close. Chilson. Or chilling. I don't know. Whatever. Doesn't matter. His name is Dan.
I don't for a fucking second buy this guy as this heartthrob
hero that he's basically played as throughout the movie. Like, there are so many points
where I'm like, this guy makes no sense. I don't understand. So,
okay, I'll bring this up now. Okay. I told you before the pod that
a lot of times before we do a movie, I don't really like to
consume. And just like. You don't. I'm not trying to listen to another podcast
about the movie that we do or stuff like that because you don't want to
cross ideas. But this movie, I was just kind of like.
Like, I need to be reassured that I actually saw what I saw. So I.
I got into a couple of them. But the way that people talk about Tom
Atkins, and maybe this is me not being like a horror guy. Yeah. They're saying
things about Tom Atkins that kind of remind me of those shitty Chuck Norris jokes
from 15 years ago. Like, they talk about Tom Atkins like he is just
the most unstoppable, you know, fuck machine badass in the world.
And I, in this film, I mean, he's certainly.
He. He had a lot of great opportunities, but that guy. I think the
joke about that is that he so clearly isn't that. That because this
character plays like he is. It's like, let's just lean into that. Yeah.
And that's sort of the meme that's the joke of like, you know, Tom Atkins
is like, amazing because it's like, he's really. Just looks like he's got bad skin.
He's not in particularly good shape. He's tall, but he's like, you know, probably 50
and soft in the middle. You know what I mean? He's just like, got this
look of somebody that just like the mustache sucks. Like, the whole thing is kind
of like, why is not wide enough, right. Silence of the Lambs with.
Or something. Or something. Doc Holliday holiday kind of style twirl to it.
I don't know. Something. But like, it doesn't work. And he. It is hard to
buy him as our hero. Basically, he's there and he's supposed to be like.
He gives his kids these masks or. Right. And again, it's the kind of crappy
ones. Like, I was talking about the paper bags. And he's acting like it's
this big surprise he has for. I told you I'd get your masks. Dad came
through. And they're like, well, mom already got us good Silver Shamrock masks. These are
pieces of dad. You. That's basically. That's not literally in the. But that's like it.
And so they show them. They. They've got like the witch and the. And the.
The pumpkin or whatever. And. And you know, he's. He's like, oh, okay, you already
got masks. But that's when he gets beeped on this, like, you know,
Jurassic era pager that he has absolutely. Old, old, old pager.
But he calls in because he's a doctor and he calls in the hospital needs
him to come in because this guy was just brought in and he's going crazy
and we don't know anything about him. So you got to come and take it.
Take a look. The other doctor had to go home or some, right. So he's
like, sorry, you gotta go. And the ex wife is like, you promised you'd stay.
Like, she, like, freaks out on him. And he's just like, oh, I gotta go.
So he did she learned anything about being married to a doctor? I mean,
not. I'm not defending his. His performance as a dad,
but like, if you get paged and have to go to the hospital, that's different
than being like, I got to go to the dog track. Right? Yeah. And also
the way he's being paged in and who he's seeing and where. He's clearly an
ER doc. That's got it. That's like the most stressful, time intensive.
You Know what I mean? Like, that's like one of the hardest kinds of doctors
to be as an emergency doctor. And so that seems like what he is.
He's not a fucking pediatrician. Like, he's working in an er. So, yeah, so there's
all that. But basically he has to go and he goes to check out.
You know, he goes there and it's really like, just him and like, one nurse.
Because it's like, really late at night. Yeah, maybe. And then the. The ambulance people,
like, help bring in. And the guy from the gas station. Actually, that's what it
is. The guy from the gas station is, like, coming in with him. He's like,
hey. Like, he just came in, he said, they're all going to get us or
whatever, coming for me, blah, blah. And he goes, can I leave now? Can I
go back? And they're like, yeah, yeah, thanks so much for bringing him. You can
go. Good move by that guy. Yeah, he got the. Out of there. Good call.
So. So there's that. And the dude is clinging to this mask still, and he's
got the Silver Shamrock mask, and he's just holding on to it. And they
basically, you know, they get him to calm down. They put him into a room,
but the guy says, they're going to kill us all, they're going
to kill us all, whatever. So they leave him. There's like, okay, he's here.
He's like, stable, like, whatever. And again, it's like just the one doctor and the
one nurse. It seems like they go. And then we see this, another man in
a suit walking and being weird with the gloves. Being weird. Just like the guy
who attacked him earlier walking through the hospital. And I'm like, is there no
security at this hospital, like, at all? And maybe it was that normal in the
early 80s. Like, I don't know. But now there were security guards and, like,
all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I guess. And if you're not in, like, a super
concentrated, like, urban area, maybe you have just less staff.
But, yeah, it is kind of weird. Although a white dude in a suit who's
dressed nice and who looks like he knows where he's going is probably not going
to get questioned too much. I mean, they say a uniform and a clipboard will
get you into lots of places. You don't have to be if you just act
like you belong there. Exactly. So maybe it's that kind of thing. But nobody sees
him. You know, he goes in, and so the dude. This guy.
This guy in the suit goes into the room with the man who's got the
mask, who's running away, and he does something. I still don't exactly
know what was done here, but it looked like he took his thumb and index
finger and put them into each eye socket. Yeah, right. Pressing past the dude's
eyeballs. And then, like, grabbed part of, like, the bridge of his nose from behind.
Yeah. And, like, yanked it out. And, like, really gnarly. Like, I.
Would that even kill you? It's obviously massively painful, but I guess maybe that
shoves part of the bone into the brain or something. I guess. I don't know.
But it kills him. It's very brutal. The sound effect of
the break is real bad. But this is our first kill. And then it was
just, like, no straw, like, just business, you know? I walk up,
and then this is the thing that I do. All with one hand. He was
holding his hand, one hand over the man's mouth so he wouldn't scream, and does
this whole other thing with the thumb and index finger. With a single hand,
it just pulls apart his skull. So, I mean, crazy amount of strength
shown there. That's not, like, a normal person thing. The nurse sees
him as he's leaving, Basically sees him walk out, sees that this man has
been killed, and the killer could not care less. Just walks away casually.
Doesn't speed up, doesn't anything. Just, yeah, I did the thing I'm supposed to do.
Right. And so then Dr. Dan tries to run after him. Like, hey, you know,
doing the whole thing. Like, where are you going? Blah, whatever. Dude gets into the
car that he came in, pours gasoline all over himself,
super casually. Very no reaction whatsoever. No, no,
no commentary, whatever. And it's. Lights himself on fire, at which point the car explodes.
Like a bomb is in it. Like, absolutely would not explode. Like, it would take
a while if it did. It probably wouldn't all just burn. You know what I
mean? Like, so, I mean, I guess unless eventually the fire got to the gas
tank and we can see whatever, but, like, wouldn't explode like that. Certainly not quickly,
but it does. And it's. So now everybody's just watching this car burn. Nobody's gonna
run up and, like, save this guy or whatever. But it's like, holy crap,
this dude shows up at the hospital. They don't know where he came from.
They don't know why. Another dude shows up at the hospital, kills that guy,
gets in a car, lights himself on fire. What the hell are we supposed to
do with this? Like, how do you even start looking into this, right? It's completely
crazy. So, yeah, there's that. And it's. And it's kind of so so far.
It's like. I don't know, is he just kind of one of these, like,
like mind control assassin type things that we've seen in other films
where they're made to, like, kill themselves as soon as they finish the job?
Naked Gun style? Yeah, exactly. So,
yeah, the doctor, then clearly I
gotta stay at least for a little bit, right? You know, I'm not leaving now.
Right? Because the cops show up and, like, investigating, and then the daughter of the
man who was killed in the hospital bed, not, obviously not the crazy person in
the car, she shows up and her name's Ellie. And good name. Yeah,
great name. My daughter's named Ellie. I love that she is.
Goes up and kind of confirms, yeah, that's my dad. They even try to tell,
like, hey, you don't want to look at this right now. Because again, dudes had
a part of his skull pulled apart basically in order to kill him. But she
sees, confirms, yes, that's him. Oh, my God, I can't believe this actually happened kind
of thing. And she talks to Dr. Dan a little bit, who again, you know,
has. Has skin like Edward James almost, and a mustache that just screams like,
keep your kids away from him. It's like, Dave wants that backup mustache.
Oh, God, it's so bad. And so, you know, there's.
There's somehow a tiny
bit of chemistry between them initially or even is there. It's hard to even.
It seems like there's none. So, yeah, my takeaway here was basically, hey,
this is my dad. Like, I gotta get to the bottom of this. I'm in
town for a couple days and he's just like, I also would like to get
to the bottom of this. Should we get to the bottom of it together?
There is that. But I wanna point out a couple things happened. So when we
first started off, it says it's October 23rd, and it says like,
eight days of Halloween. We get that commercial. It's like eight more days of Halloween,
like a whole deal, right? And then it's like. Then it says, because it's late
at night, I guess now it's the 24th, it's Sunday the 24th,
it's seven days of Halloween. That's when the daughter shows up and confirms it's the
dad. Then we zip ahead and it's like three days later.
So it's like four days to Halloween or something like that. Something around there.
We're zipping through the week suddenly, and he is in a bar just
watching TV and drinking a drink or whatever. And she shows up and first of
all, thanks him for going to the funeral. Right. So there was a funeral and
it already been. It already happened. And he went. And I could see why he
would. I mean, given all the circumstances around the gu death, I could see the
doctor, like going to the funeral potentially. Right. But she thanks him for that.
And the guy who died was the. He was the owner of a toy store.
Right, Exactly. A toy store in town. And he had this mask. And so the
two of them go to their dad's store to like, look around and they
realize that he had on. You know, she said, I've looked through his, like,
appointments and you know, he made this one. He made this one. And then he
went to go to the Silver Shamrock factory, which is up
north of here in Santa Mira. And. And then he missed his
next appointment. Appointment. Like the next day he was supposed to go visit, you know,
his aunt or his cousin or something. She did, she said he never showed up.
So that's where it's like something happened when he went up to Santa Mira,
like, we need to check it out. And basically the guy is like, sure,
I'll do that. Of course he promised his ex wife that he would go,
that the kids could stay with him like overnight or whatever. And now has to
be like, I'm sorry, I'm not doing that. Right. I got this 20 year old
piece of tail I got to hang out with instead and whatever. So bye.
Like, it's basically the dude is the worst deadbeat dad. Like, it's terrible because he
also doesn't seem to have any regret about missed time with the kids. He's just.
It's just kind of like, yeah, sorry I couldn't stop at Taco Bell for you
on my way home. Like, he does not give a shit. It seems like the
only thing he cares about is he now has to hear his ex wife bitch
at him. Yes. And that his only impetus is to avoid getting bitched at.
Yes. It's not actually about like, oh, I love my children. I want to spend
time with them. Like, that's not part of it. This guy's a real work piece
of work. So. So they go. So a couple things. So they get in
the car and they drive quote up north. They don't make it clear where
we started. Right. The original title was just Northern California. Yeah. They don't make it
clear how far from there Santa Mira is now Santa Mira, I can tell you,
is located. They were shot in a town called Lolita. Lol.
Eta, California, up in Humboldt county, about half an
hour outside of Eureka. That's where they filmed it. Okay. That is way up north.
That is way up north in California. Yeah. One of the other people we see
a little bit later, she comes to play, talks about having a toy store in
San Francisco and Union Square. That would be like a five plus hour
drive. Yeah. From San Francisco to this place, if it's where that actually located.
But of course none of this is like made clear. So they go to this
town. We don't know again, like how far they had to drive or whatever.
And they go to the Rose. On the drive up, he says he looked up
a bunch of information about the town and that basically it was like founded like
100 years prior, 1880, something, whatever, by Irish immigrants. They stayed
there and it was a. A dairy maybe or something. And then it was turned
into a, into a mask and whatever, like novelties. Novelty factory.
Yeah. And everybody in the town, like works there is what he was able to
find out. Right. And so, so they go. And they go to the Rose O'
Shannon Inn, which is like a very Irish sounding name. And as they're driving through
the town before they do like, they're getting very weird looks.
Very Children of the Corn for sure. And I
do want to say, I think we need to mention this every time it shows
up in the movie. $1.32 for gas. Oh my gosh.
Insane. That would be wonderful. Of course, it was probably like four octane,
so. But yeah, so they go to this Rose of Shannon
Inn and they check in as if they're a married couple just to try to
like not give away their names or something, I guess. But the guy's got an
Irish accent. The innkeeper. Yeah. And I'm thinking to myself, if this
town's been here a hundred years. Yeah. Why would any of these people still have
accents? You got to keep the old tradition. So very strange. But this guy's still
got an accent then. So they're there and basically he
tells Ellie, Dan tells Ellie, hey, like, like go talk to this guy about getting
into the room, help have him help you the bags. And he goes, I'll go
register us like, you know, because this is. There's no computer. This is old school.
There's a book. And he's able to look and see. Oh yeah, her dad did
stay here, you know, like a. Whatever week ago or whatever it was. Right.
You know, so He. That's good. He confirmed like, he stayed there. He definitely came
to the town. He. Which means he went to the factory because he had an
appointment there. So they're on the right trail, right. Confirming that the information that they,
they thought they had is accurate.
And so he like registers them in the book under like, Smith or something.
And. Yeah. And so, and I think while they're talking
to the innkeeper and stuff, this like, limo drives by and
he makes a comment that like, oh, this is Mr. Cochran, Mr.
Cochrane. He's. He's the most important man in town, you know, Such a genius.
So, like, the reverence they have for this guy. It is this weird kind of
like at best, company town type feeling where they all, you know,
worship the owner of all the shit. Or even more culty
than that. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. So. So they get checked in
and then a family shows up in a Winnebago and it's like this mom and
dad and this like, kid who's a little brat and whatever. And the guy with
the Winnebago, like, almost hits Dan or whatever coming out of the office,
has to slam in the brakes. The kid's bike falls off the front of the
Winnebago and he's all pissed about it and like, is it broken? Dog? I'm going
to go ride my bike. Like, but basically it's this horrible, very Willy Wonka sort
of feeling, dude, like family. Absolutely. But like,
so. So this is. So they're there and there's another woman that also shows up
and is sort of just bitching about like, her situation and all. Like, they couldn't
take me today and I'm so mad I have to stay here tonight or whatever.
Right? Like, this whole.
This movie is very. Is very. Like if with Willy Wonka,
the Chocolate Factory, whatever was like far more, far darker than even it is,
which it is. But if we go many steps further down the like, D and
forbidding path, like, that's what this feels like in. A lot of ways. And yeah,
so I love when that kid gets on the bike and like rides up.
His mom goes, don't you ride in the street? I probably flips her off.
He flips the bird to his mom. And this is 1982,
where, like, you could challenge someone to a duel if they flipped
you off. Like, people didn't throw like, fuck you, buddy around willy nilly like they
do now. Parents routinely beat their children with belts. Like, oh, for sure.
This is not something you should be messing around with, kid.
So, yeah, so Dan and Ellie now are in the hotel room. And Dan's
like, oh, man, there's only one. Oh, I messed up. I only got us one
hotel room. Oh, hey, dude, it's totally fine. I. I don't mind getting another room.
And then. So at this point I still thought like,
as you should. You're like 30 years older than her, at least. And her
dad was just murdered in a super gross way. Yeah. Like, like, yeah, give her
a little space. Right. And then it just immediately went to her being like,
well, what do you want to do? And he's like, I know what I want
to do. He literally said, that's a dumb question. Yeah. And then they're, then they're
making out. I don't buy this romance. It's crazy at all. I mean,
it seems like the movie was written by the guy who played Dan. Right.
Tom Atkins movies, right. Yeah. I gotta see them nips. It's.
It's so bizarre. She is a very pretty girl,
very attractive actress, and he is not a
good looking dude. And I just don't buy. There's the huge age gap.
There's the fact that they've only known each other for something like 24 hours.
Well, I guess. No, a little longer. As he went to the funeral. So they've
run into each other a few times over the course of like maybe four days.
Right. Right. This is a very fast, budding romance. I don't, I don't think it's
honest. No. You know, I don't think it's earned. Her dad was killed
under his care. That's their connection. That's true. My dead dad was
being watched by you when he got killed. Yes. You can. Literally your patient love.
I don't. And now I want to bang you. Very. A very weird
thing. And this is, I mean, this movie, like you said, it's.
There's reasons that people really like it. Right. There's certain stuff where you're
like, that you should have done more of that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Great idea.
Bad execution. Creepy townspeople stuff. Then there's these bells
and there's this voice that you know, everybody go inside your house. There's a 6pm
curfew. 6pm curfew.
Crazy. And I, and I did read after the fact that that voice is actually
Jamie Lee Curtis. Oh, is it? So she's unbilled, but she's doing the voiceover work
for the announcement town. Wow. So, yeah, there's a curfew
in this creepy town where like everyone works at the same
place. Everyone kind of looks the same. They all seem to know each other.
They're very suspicious of outsiders. So the doc's like, okay, well, I'm not going to
honor this curfew. I'm just going to go walk around and,
and just be taking pulls off a bottle of wine throughout the town. He went
to a liquor store or something, right? Bought a bottle and then decided to walk
down the narrowest, darkest alley that the town possibly has. It's not that big a
town. This is not a major city where there's like, oh, this is like the
faster way to get here. It's like, it's not a 10 alley town. That was
their one creepy alley. There's probably one stoplight in that entire town. And you're walking
down this crazy dark alley, you know, runs into this homeless guy who I,
I made a note at this point, no accent. Because the only, I think the
only townsperson we'd heard talk was, was the, the, the innkeeper.
Yeah. Right. And so, but this guy, no accent, like, sounds like an American whatever,
but basically is saying like, he tells him, he's like the factory there,
they brought in outsiders. They're not even hiring local townsfolk like me. That or
whatever, like, it's crazy. And he asks him for, for a sip of his drink,
which I'm like. I don't have any diseases, right? I'll bet. Yeah. You got any
proof, pal? You know, in addition, like, we were talking in the, the last episode
about how Clarice Starling should carry around like a little Ziploc bag that has
latex gloves and stuff. If you're like a public drunk,
you should carry around little Dixie cups just in case someone wants a pull.
Be like, look, man, I'm happy to share with you, but your lip does not
look like something I want to think about the next time I sip out of
this. You have a dirty mouth. You don't have a nice clean mouth.
So this guy's very upset, right? And he's kind of rambling.
Oh, everyone's from out of town. He's like, I'll tell you what I'm going to
do. Do. Yeah, I'm going to burn. This is going to be the last Halloween
for them. I'm going to burn the factory down. I. And I think he says,
like, I have four Molotov cocktails. 40 or something. But yeah, it was
a big number. I thought it was a small number. Okay, that makes more sense
then. But yeah, and the most efficient way to burn something
down is to like, one by 1. Throw 50 Molotov cocktails into
a build. It sounds like a Grand Theft Auto mission where you have to keep
going to different windows and chucking them in. Or if you're not getting them through
the windows, the building's probably made of concrete on the outside.
I don't know how much damage you'll do quickly, you know, with that. But I
guess, look, fire. Is fire good enough? I mean, for, for a, for a town
drunk, not too bad. So, so this guy gets stopped then by two more of
our. Of our be suited weirdos,
right? So now we've seen a few of these guys even in town. And so
these guys walk up to him in there and he's like talking to him.
He's like, no, no, like, I was just kidding, you know, I was just kidding.
Like, it's all good, whatever. And they rip his head off.
Yeah, they literally rip his head off. I love the distinction
here though, because five years later,
the predator will start ripping heads off of people in an Amazonian jungle,
but will do so with the spine intact. Oh, and whereas this guy,
like, his head just pops up. Spineless head. Exactly. And then there's a couple
of blood spurts out of the, like, torso that I really appreciated before it
falls over. Yeah, it was pretty grody and, you know,
sad ending for this guy because not only did he get his head pulled off
a little bit before that, his last meal actually turned out to be
him putting a bunch of Cheez Whiz on a hot dog bun and eating
it. Yeah, I think it's a piece of white bread that he folded up.
It was real. It looked pretty rough. You know
what sucks about that is the social stigma of cheese in a can is that
it's like, oh, that's what this bum would be. But if you ever
try to buy yourself a nice can of easy cheese at Safeway to keep in
the car, and I both know the exact retail price of
cheese in a can. That's why this is an audio only podcast, folks.
Fair, fair play. Fair play. Okay, all right, so,
okay, so we got a head ripped off. Okay, so now we go back to
the hotel and this is the sort of obligatory. Every Halloween movie has
to have nudity or near nudity in it. This is the way John Carpenter rolls.
So this is now Ellie. She gets out of the shower. It's not like
full frontal or like real clear, but she's wrapping herself up in a towel and
not doing a great job of it. And she, again, very attractive woman, but,
you know, she just Kind of covers herself in the blanket and is shivering.
And I'm thinking myself, lady, dry yourself off and put clothes on. You won't shiver
so bad. Like, clearly it's cold in there. And absorb. It's not a terry cloth
blanket. That's a bad idea. She wraps herself up and I think that's when Dan
comes home after his adventure with the liquor and the bomb.
And basically she just like drops the blanket and,
you know, we're gonna do this now. Yeah. And I still, I just don't get
why she's so into him. It doesn't make any sense. No, not at all.
And, and, and you probably picked up on this as well. Well, so when this
scene starts and this is like the, you know, they've been intimate multiple times so
far. And look, I'm not going to judge what anyone does in
the bedroom. There's different orders to do things in. I would say that generally,
if you're going to ask a question like, how old are you?
Do that before having sex with her, like six times real early.
And then she even said something like, oh, I, I, it's okay, I look younger
than I am or something like that, or I'm older than I look. Whenever.
That's something where it's like, that's not an answer. That's, that's very coy of you.
I need a concrete number. See some id. Yeah, I need, I need a
utility. Bill, you know, something in your name.
I need some personal references. I need a high school yearbook.
You know, I think consent just wasn't. What it was, what it is
today, back in 1982. That's the problem. Just really, really bad. But again,
it just adds to like how off putting the sexual part. Ellie,
I mean, really just, just absolutely gorgeous. Like, she looks fantastic in this
next to them. This, this woman who was there for the order with the store
in San Francisco. Marge Gutman. That's right. So Marge Gutman
is right next to them. Dude, for sure.
She's, she's in the adjacent room. Right, right. And,
and instead of overhearing their sexual exploits and conducting it like a, like a
maestro, instead she's kind of messing with this mask that she
found. And I think that the, the logo had fallen off of it or something.
Yeah, she, so she had shown. I can't remember if she shown, showed Ellie or
showed Dan. I think Ellie, like, oh, she was there partly because her own child's
mask, like the, the, she said the copyright fell off it. It's like the little
logo thing. Yeah, you Know that shouldn't happen. You know, whatever. Also,
who gives a. I wish the logo would fall off everything I own. God damn
it. But what she noticed is. Cuz it like f. She. It had fallen off
of the table, whatever. And you. There's like a microchip kind of on the back
of it. And she just starts looking at. And again, I don't know what the
hell you think you're doing, but she gets like tweezers or. Or something that starts
playing, like poking at the. The microchip. Yeah. At which point a laser
like shoots out of it into her face. Yeah. Blowing her face
open again. Like, honestly, like the pregnant. Like, like crazy.
You know, in like Bugs Bunny cartoons where like Elmer has a shotgun and
Bugs Bunny puts his finger in it and then it just kind of peels back
the way it blows up. That's what her whole mouth looks like. Like a banana
peel. Gnarly, dude. It was. Yeah. And then a bug like
a cockroach crawls out of her mouth hole. The face
hole that's been created by this laser blast. Real scary.
Ellie and Dan in the next room, they do seem to hear something, but like,
kind of dismiss it or whatever and go back to banging. And as he should.
I mean, I'd probably be like, look, it's not a family member next door.
What she does in her motel room is her own business. But they are kind
of disturbed because they see like, oh, there's a commotion outside. And it's not the
cops or the paramedics. It's a van that has the Silver Shamrock logo on the
side taken with a bunch of people who are taking her out of there.
And they're all dressed like orderlies. They've all got like the white coats and whatever,
but it's like, whatever. And he comes out and he goes, hey, I'm a doctor.
Like, can I. Let me in here. Whatever. And they're just like. They basically push
him aside or whatever. But then he goes, I said, I'm a doctor.
Which I do love the entitlement of that, you know,
it's kind of like in the Fugitive, the way that Richard Kimball's
friend was so arrogant with the cops. There's just something about being a doctor that
you're like, like, okay, well, I'm a little above. I'm not really a civilian.
I'm a doctor. To be fair, it's white male doctors, I think, more than anything
else. So, okay, so then
we cut to the next day and we're going. We go to the Silver Shamrock
Factory. They're going to go basically, like, take a look around or whatever. And they're
talking to a woman about, you know, basically investigating did her dad come to the
actual factory and, like, pick up an order and all this stuff. And so they're
finding out, like, oh, do you remember, like, this name? Like, we lost the order,
so that's why we're here. And they're like, oh, well, that order was. Was picked
up. And then even talking to another kind of work coworker, and it's like,
do you remember loading this order up? He's like, oh, yeah, I loaded that up.
So they're kind of like, not really getting much info other than confirming her dad
was there. Yeah, there's not like a whole lot else. So they go to leave,
at which point the family from the Winnebago, from the hotel, they show up.
And I can't remember the last name, but the dad and the boy are both
named Buddy, which is just so insufferable. But, you know, before they
leave, he kind of says hi to them, is like shaking hands real vigorously and
all that. And, oh, I'm like the one top salesman. That's why they invited me
to. He's like a how the hell are you? Guy. Yes, exactly. Right?
Yeah. And slapping your back or shaking your hand kind of thing, you know.
But at this point, they're about to leave. Dan and Ellie are about to leave,
and Mr. Cochran, the owner, the head honcho, he comes into the room and they're
kind of like, whoa. And this is where we're going to mention it, but yeah.
So Mr. Cochran is played by Dan O', Herlihy, who fans of the Pod
here will remember as Grig, the co pilot from the Last Starfighter,
although at the time he was made up. Looks a little different. A little bit
of like an iguana. A brown iguana face makeup to be Grig with
only, like three fingers or something. But yes, but it's the same man. I recognize
his voice before anything else. But yeah, so he's, like, going to
give them all a factory tour. And it's like. And he even says something about
like, oh, we're so sorry about the loss of your order. It will be replaced
on our charge. No charge at all, you know, kind of thing. And he's got
this funny accent, Dan, look. When. When. When Cochran
says that to him, that the order's free. Even though Dan, he's like, I'm playing
a character. He acted so excited about the free order. I was
like, you Gotta tone it down a little bit. Good job. Yeah. But yeah,
his accent, Cochrane's accent is funny. At times it sounds Irish a bit, and at
times it doesn't. It sounds British. And then even other times it kind of sounds,
I don't know, Massachusetts, New. England, where it's like that North Atlantic.
Yeah, the Atlantic accent. That's sort of whatever they do. And so he's got a
very funny accent, Dana Hurley. He does, but there are times where it's clear he's
trying to put a little Irish brogue on it, you know, to fit this character.
Oh, yeah, sorry. I just want to jump into something because this will come in
later. So before they get to the factory, Dan makes a
call from the hotel room, I believe. And he's talking and he makes these calls
a few times. He's talking to this woman. That's right. Who. It also seems like
I'm. As soon as I get home. Like he just has this
magic effect. But a woman who seems to work at like the forensics lab or
just at the corner. And she's doing her best. Best because they're trying to find
out, like, this dude who lit himself on fire in the car. There wasn't a
skeleton or anything. There's just more car parks, car parts. I don't
understand this. So they're trying to figure that out. Yeah, exactly. And I think he
gets to the point that on the phone with her, that he
wants her to take a look into Mr. Cochran. That's right. At least just
like Something's up. But Mr. Cochran, of course, this is his town. This is his
factory. This is his motel. There's a listening device on the call,
so he knows that Dan has called inquiring about it. Right. So he's playing
dumb, like, oh, you're just a guy, whatever. But he knows who they all are.
So they go on this factory tour and. And like we kind of referenced before,
it is like a fucked up Willy Wonka kind of situation. There's like all these
old toys. The buddy or whatever is talking to Dan about how Cochran made his
fortune making, you know, knockoff crap or whatever, little crap toys or whatever, but then
moved on to masks. And that's when he became a billionaire or whatever the hell.
Yes, like all this stuff. And there's a bunch of like, like crappy little toys
all over the place. There's a kind of like, whatever as like, but like it's
a museum almost like there's a couple of rooms walking through it. Right. Set up
like that. And they get to where they're showing where the masks get made.
And like the boy, the little Buddy, he wants to, he's like oh can I
want this one? I want this one. And he's like, like oh no, that one
hasn't had final processing yet. You know, whatever, like what the hell's final processing?
And sure enough there's even like a corridor and at the door at the end
says final processing, no admittance. And you know, like the buddy,
Mr. Cochran, what is final processing? Like, oh, it's a bit of this and
a bit of that and it's like that's all he says about it. He's not
let him go anymore. Quality assurance, you know, I mean to. Buddy's credit, he's kind
of like, well I'm your best salesman. I came all this way. You could show
me and Cochrane again. Just no, like it's a trade secret. I'm not going to
show you this. So they're about to leave and I think
Dan kind of spots all those like weird guys
with the black gloves on and everything. And he's just like, what's going on here?
There's an open garage on the property and Ellie spots
a car that she could swear is her dad's car. Car, green car, that's her
dad's and she's absolutely positive. But before she can run up to like go prove
it or whatever, more of these, you know, crazy suited guys that we've
been seeing all over the place, like they stop her basically and, and you know,
they can't do that. So then we cut back to the hotel at which point
Dan delivers the best line he has in the movie when he says I think
it's time for the Marines. Like as if he can just like call in
the marines. Like again Dr. Hubris I guess. Cuz he,
I. We see this again at some point where it's like no, I'm a doctor.
Like put me through to whoever.
Yeah, so. So they're back at the motel
and they're kind of just like yeah, yeah, Dan's calling the cops. Well yeah,
cuz he has to go. Well he has to go to somewhere to make.
There's no, it's like there's no phones in the room so he has to go
to the office to try to make a call and that's. And but it's like,
you know, it's like is this when it's like, oh like you know, your call
cannot be completed. Is that where they. Because it happens to them a bunch of
times. It Happens several different times. So like the call cannot be completed. But.
And when they first got there, you know, because the plan wasn't to come out
here and stay for a few days. They were coming out to check things out,
whatever. They check into the motel and at first they're kind of like. Seems weird.
The motel owner comments on. Oh, you don't really have any bags.
She just has like one, you know, little like toolbox thing. Like a makeup
case or something. Yeah. So then Dan's like, I gotta call the cops. You go
pack. And it's like she's taken like an hour to pack this.
It's like you didn't fucking have anything. I mean even if he just said like
go scrape the underwear off the floor that we've been flinging around the
whole time, we stay there. Get your bra off the fan and let's get out
of here. Yeah. So when he tries to make a
phone call and can't, basically he then leaves to go back to the room.
And of course the door to their room is open, open and Ellie's not there.
So he freaks out. And he's basically just like running through town for a while
as all these like Silver Shamrock. These cars with the Silver Shamrock novelties
logo on the side instead of a police logo basically are driving all over.
He assumes, I think probably accurately they're looking for him. So he's just like hiding
behind things and like tries to make a phone call from a payphone again.
Gets the like your call could not be completed, whatever, all this stuff. And so
he. But he's like hiding, hiding. He makes his way to the factory. Factory,
I think because he probably assumes that that's where Ellie has been taken and
he is able to break in to the factory. And he's walking around and
kind of like he's like trying to figure stuff out. Looking things, you can't hear
anybody, nobody's there. He opens a door and there is an old woman knitting
in a rocking chair. It is the most bizarre thing ever
until. And I don't remember exactly how this happens but like her
head comes off. Like does he like like knock her over or something? He's like,
hey, like, you know, I need whatever. And tries to shake her
to get her attention. Is that what it is? I just remember the head popping
off. Yeah. And then her head falls off and you know, she's this like old
timey, like like steampunk looking robot.
It's all like gears and valves and different things inside of her like popping up
where her like Spine should be basically very weird. And then right
after he discovers that. He'S grabbed from behind, right. And it's one of the suit
guys, right. And Dan throws a couple of the weakest fucking
punches of all time that do nothing. But he ends up,
you know, struggling with this robot. Finds some kind of vulnerable spot,
right. Ricky owes his hands into him. Seriously, it's insane.
His hands are like basically going to this guy's stomach and then he
pulls it out in this like orange goo or green. Yeah, it's orange. It's orange
goo. It's almost like when copper like reaches into the guy in the thing and
like falls into it or whatever. It's like ridiculous. Like just like falls through him
and it's. Yeah, it's like one. I think it's just one of his hands,
but it's. Yeah. This really gross looking orange goo. Yeah. Is all inside. And so
what the key is these people are all robots, right?
Wires, very weird valves and gauges and things. And then this orange goo and it's
like all robots. So the other ones that are there have like captured him.
And he's looks. He looks drunk now. Like, he looks dazed. Like. I think he's.
It's supposed to be. I think what it's supposed to be. And I'll be honest,
I don't think Tom Atkins pulls this off. He looks like he's
in shock. Right. I think is the idea. Yeah. Is that it's like, oh,
this is so shock. So he like very absent mindedly tries wiping the hand with
the orange goo off with like a handkerchief. But he's like not resisting anymore and
he's sort of almost wavering. It looks. It's very strange. Like he's been drugged or
something. Yeah. But basically Cochrane's there and he makes a comment about the old
lady head. He's like, oh, this model is from 1845,
whatever. And I was like. I think what he was saying is the woman
that that robot was modeled after was born in 1845. Okay. I think
that makes sense. And then that's he was trying to recreate. Maybe it's like his
mother or grandmother or something. Like, I'm not sure, but like it was very hard
to like understand exactly what he meant by this model was that old or
are we supposed to believe that on the, you know, we come find a little
bit later. I'm not going to give anything away here, but like, you know,
basically Cochrane is a warlock. He's like in a coven. So he might have had
access to that type of technology. But are we supposed to. Yeah. Just assume that
since the mid 19th century, like, witches and warlocks have been able to create robots?
Yeah, like, I guess that. That could be, I suppose. Yeah.
There's lots of things in this movie that make no sense. Why not add that
to the pile? Yeah, so. So Cochran,
you know, takes Dan. He. He's in his underground lair
and we see what's sitting right there. It's the Stonehenge
stone. The big piece of Stonehenge is there. And they are. And here's the other
thing, too, we should mention it is now, I think at
this point, the movie, right away, it's either the night of October 30th, or it's
very early in the morning on October 31st. So it's either like the day before
Halloween or it is like, you know, 2:00am on Halloween day, Something like that.
Right. Why the fuck are they still making more masks? Who is
going to get those masks into a store and purchased and worn by that night?
Doesn't make any sense that they're still doing the manufacturing process and.
And like, chipping pieces off of Stonehenge to continue to
make the little, you know, silver shamrock badge that apparently, you know, that killed the
woman in the hotel. They keep saying it was a misfire, you know, whatever.
And. And. But, like, what is the point to continue to make more, like.
Doesn't make any sense to me. Well, especially knowing, like, what their ultimate plan is,
right? It's like, well, yeah, we're not.
We're not in business, you know, exactly. Like, yeah, we're not
looking for, like, next Halloween. Like, they kept. There've been tons of hints of,
like, not taking orders for next year, like, whatever, all this stuff. And this will
be the last Halloween we do this. All this stuff. And now we get to
see what the real plan is, because Cochrane tells Dan, like, you're now going to
see a demonstration, you know, whatever. And so there's this room. The door on it
says, like, test room or one or whatever. And they lead the family, Buddy and
his wife and his kid, little Buddy, into this room and it's built. It's modeled
like a living room. Yeah, like a standard Middle American living room. Right?
Couch, easy chair, tv. And they go in and Buddy, of course,
little Buddy, has his mask, his. His pumpkin head mask. And they go.
And they sit down and big Buddy is like, oh, yeah. Cochrane just wants to
ask me my advice, you know, or my opinion on, like, a new ad campaign,
because I'm like, one of his best you know, custom. Our best salesmen or whatever,
right? And so he's got a little pad of paper and they're waiting there.
And sure enough, Cochran gives the signal to one of his guys in the control
room with the Stonehenge pieces and the TV turns on and it's that, you know,
and more days of Halloween. But it's like, different now because it's like, yeah,
yeah, it's Halloween something better. Like, yeah, today is Halloween something. Right, right. But it's
a whole thing. And it's like, okay, kids, it's time for the big giveaway.
And it's like this whole thing. Make sure you put your mask on. Masks on,
kids. And so the boy puts his mask on. And I do love the way
they did this because it was like, a little more inferred and a little less
explicit at first than some of the other effects have been. But basically,
this. That pumpkin graphic that we saw at the beginning of
the movie comes on the TV and is flashing very like, if you. If,
like, I swear to God, if you're epileptic, I wouldn't watch this movie because this
flashing is real brutal. And so, you know, there's this flashing, whatever. And the kid
starts, like, clutching his face, like he's holding onto the mask and something's clearly
happening. And he falls and is, like, shaking. At which point it's clear. We can
kind of see. I wouldn't say it's clear. We can kind of see through,
like, the eye holes in the mask that, like, his face is screwed up now.
Yeah, right. There's, like, damage inside and bugs,
cockroaches mostly, start crawling out of, like, what would be his
mouth. Then snakes, starting with, like, little garter snakes and little, like,
like, you know, garden variety, kind of small. The six. And then like a rattlesnake.
Rattlesnakes and like a mamba. And like, there's definitely like a few different poisonous snakes.
The mom passes out, seeing that her son's
face is ejecting bugs. The dad gets up to try to
leave. Yeah, nice move, buddy. And the rattlesnake gets him.
But it's like. So this is the plan, apparently, right? This is Cochrane's plan,
is that all of the children wearing masks and watching their commercial on. At 9pm
on Halloween night will. Their faces will explode
into bugs and snakes, which will hopefully kill the rest of their family. And,
you know, however many kids watch it and wear the masks, that many people die.
Like, many families die probably. This is the whole plan. He even
kind of explains it to Dan about how it was our time to take the
world back. Like my coven is going to do this. We have our craft,
we're evil. And none of it makes any fucking. Sense because he's kind of
like we got to go back to the old ways because they're not putting respect
on Halloween's name like we used to when I was a kid. Like yeah,
yeah. Whatever.
It's very, it's very, it's flimsy. I don't expect a thousand
year old warlock to be in touch. But yeah,
so, so basically like we see how this thing works, right?
And it's very horrifying. And then we get, get really cool kind of
montage of just. It's the beginning of Halloween night in all these different cities
in the US and we see the kids going out trick or treating and so
many of them have the, the Silver Sham, a ton of them. They're obviously very
popular. And then there's a, there's a little aside here where the
woman that you mentioned, Dan was calling this woman at like the, the corner or
somewhere else. She's starting to realize like everything that's in these pieces is metal.
Like there's nothing. Nothing. Yes. Human. And like what if, what does that mean?
And of course the, the Silver Shamrock people know that he, he. She was called
by Dan. So one of their goons shows up, you know, she doesn't know he's
there. He gets a power drill and ends up putting it through her ear.
Just again, a brutal kill. It doesn't show it, no, but it's,
it's enough. I wonder if this was. Yeah,
I, I'm curious always about stuff like that. Like did they do it and
it just didn't work to show or you didn't want to be that brutal to
that character. I will say it was a kind of funny like juxtaposition effect technologies
because she's there working at the lab sifting through stuff and she finds the
Silver Shamrock chip which is basically like, you know,
a mind control type chip or like it's something that can scramble your
brain remotely. And she quickly goes to her rotary phone to make the
call. I really like seeing two of those on the same. On the
same. Speaking of technology, I was impressed. The power drill apparently was cordless. Those weren't
super common. That was a little more of a rare. Yeah.
So. And one of the things that Cochrane says is like the planets are
in alignment to do something again.
They're just throwing a lot of extra shit into this movie.
Yeah, it's like, they borrowed a ton of stuff from either kind of like
Wicca or just sort of like pagan history, whatever. It was referring to
Halloween as Samhain and all this stuff and just throwing stuff in about the alignment
of the planets and the craft. There's a lot of buzzwords, words basically,
that don't necessarily make a ton of sense. And he does the thing that you
have to do, which is if you have an evil plan of enormous scope
and there's one person trying to stop you, don't eliminate them.
Keep them alive so that they can see your plan come to fruition.
But also don't really guard them while. You'Re keeping them alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
for sure. So it's so.
Okay, so now with one question ahead at this point. Yeah. As they're showing us,
the kids, like, all over America, and they're showing city names and it's just like,
it's all over the place. Right. Was this thing happening at 9pm Pacific,
9pm in every time zone? Because at one point.
Because if you're doing it from California. Right. Then we're fucked
already. Right. But the kids. Are they expecting kids on the east coast to be
up at midnight to see this? Because here's the thing, it already said something about
it being 7:30pm you know, at the Silver Shamrock Rock Factory at one point,
which is like. Okay, well, that means in both the Eastern and Central time zones,
it's already been nine. Yeah. Or was this just for. No, because here's the other
thing, too. There's a point where I'm maybe popping head just a second, but,
like, Cochrane is on the phone, clearly, with, like,
somebody from, like, the TV stations or, like some kind of news or whatever.
And he used the term 43 share, which would mean 43% of American households
are tuning into this airing of the movie Halloween, which is the, like, precursor to
the. Oh, the thing at 9 comes after the horror fest. But they make a
point that it is. You can see it on, on the TV at one point
that it's Jamie Lee Curtis coming out of the house. It's actually Halloween. Yeah.
Which is fun, obviously, a little Easter egg. But basically they have, after showing Dan
the demonstration, and somewhere in here, the woman gets killed at the corner.
They put him into a room and they strap him
down to the chair and they put a mask on him and they put on
the show. So the idea is, when 9pm hit, same thing happening,
same thing's gonna happen. He's dead. That's how they're gonna kill him. This is sort
of the slowly descending into the shark pit kind of thing, where it's like,
it's giving him a chance to get out because sure enough, he,
first of all, smart, smart, smart. He destroys the tv. First. He,
like, kicks in the tv, so. Now he won't see that. That was great.
That was a great call. Yeah. Because if you can't do anything else, at least
now the bugs and snakes don't pop out of your head. Great. But he is
able to, I guess, get a piece of the glass from the broken tv,
which, by the way, don't ever reach into a broken crt. The stuff inside there
will shock you. Even if it's not plugged in. It's really quite awful. It's very
dangerous. And so. But he gets, like, a shard of glass from the. From the
tv and he's able to cut the light. They duct taped him, and they duct
taped him with his hands in front of him. If they just put his hands
behind him. None of this, I mean, yeah, real sloppy work. Terrible robots,
Silver shamrock. Yeah. But he's able to cut himself loose, take off the mask.
And then the most Steph Curry shot of all time throws
the mask up to the one camera in, like, the corner of the room,
and it perfectly lands on the camera, covering it completely.
So now he can move about and, you know, without being seen. It's like the
most ridiculous shot. Dude, it was so good. So I wear
a hat, like, all the time. And when I come home at night, I have,
like, a hat rack on the back of my door. And I'll always take it
off and try to, like, throw it and land it on the hat rack.
And I do this every single day. And if I get it once
a month, I'm psyched. Like, I'm missing it constantly.
And I'll go and get it and try it again. And my wife's like,
what are you doing? Just hang out it on the thing. Like you don't understand.
Spoken like not a dude. Yeah, but maybe this is why
Tom Atkins gets laid so regularly. Perhaps. I will say it
looked to me like the way they did the effect because the way it,
like, lands on the camera is so unnatural looking. Yeah. I think what it was
is that it was on the camera attached to, like, a fishing line that they
then yanked to get it to pull off. And then they showed it to us
in. In reverse. Right. Because that way you'd get it right the first time and
it would land perfectly. But it doesn't look right when it. Does there's something about.
Exactly, exactly. Or at least let's say you're filming it and you're
gonna do it that way. And the actor magically throws it on the first time.
Film a couple where he doesn't hit it and then just splice those before it
so you have a little tension building up to it. Yeah, I think that would
work. Yeah. But luckily, you know, there's a, there's a perfectly man sized vent system
that Dan is able to crawl into. And he's doing a little John McLean
seemed to use. Again, either the same or another piece of glass from the TV
as a screwdriver to unscrew, which it's like, man, that your hand is not cut
up. Really? That's amazing. Super doc over here. But basically he is.
Yeah, he goes, he goes through the, the ventilation system. And I think,
you know, at one point he looks down, he can see the control room.
So he knows where that is. But then he finds Ellie, right? He. Because he
was shown Ellie on a TV that she's like strapped down to a table there
in the facility somewhere and, and he finds her and like frees her.
And then now they're gonna run away. You know, they're gonna try to get,
do something together. It's not even really clear. Are they gonna try to stop them?
Are they trying to get out? Like not 100%. It's just like we can only
think 15 seconds into the future, one thing when it's discovered
that Dan has escaped. Cause we're looking at kind of the security footage of his
cell that he's kept in. And we see, you know, the control room looking at
the footage and the two security guys, One guy holds up the mask that he
threw over the camera and one guy holds up the empty vent. Like the COVID
the vent grill or whatever. Yeah, exactly. And so it's like, oh, you must be
here. He's in the heating system.
Yeah. And then, then the. Dan also has to get
to a phone because he's like, dude, my kids are in these masks. That's right.
I saw these kids in the mask. So I got to call my ex wife.
Oh my God. And, and tell her to get the kids out of those masks.
They're going to die. I don't have time to argue about this. And she's like,
I'll show you how to get back at you. I'm not going to listen to
you. It's not just that there is, there is a, there is an exchange over
the phone that I died when I saw this. And I heard
it. It was. It was. You know, you got it. You got it. You got
to save. I'm telling you, they're going to die. Like, it's going to be bad.
You got to stop me. Got to stop this thing. You got to get rid
of them. You got to get rid of them. She's like, wait, get rid of
what? And he goes, the masks. The mask. You got him. You got. And she
goes, are you kidding me? Are you serious? Like, she's so
incensed that he is asking because in her mind, this is all Dan saying,
you need to throw away those masks. So they have to use my crappy plastic
tray masks that I gave them. Right. And in her mind, that's all that matters.
It does nothing. This is like the worst possible kind of divorced couple
where it's like their kids mean nothing except a way to get at each other.
And it's just so disgusting. Yeah. Like, if you're. If you're a couple who shares.
Shares custody of a child, you need like, the equivalent
of a safe word. Right? Where it's like, however much we hate each
other, if I say this to you and then tell you a thing, don't question
it. This is our kid's life and death. Make sure you do it.
Yeah. Because, I mean, she was not taken. It didn't matter what he said.
He's the least credible person in the world to her. Exactly. And then. But then
he notices he can hear them coming for him, and so he has to,
like, hang up the phone. He even at one point, he, like, hangs up with
her or she hangs up on him. So he hangs. Then he picks it back
up to try to make another call, but doesn't because then he hears people coming.
I'm not sure who. If he was going to try to call the TV station
from there or the police or whatever. But, like, he doesn't. He's. But he does
make it. So he's got Ellie with him eventually. Because it's after that he finds
her. He gets her. They go to the control room. They are sneaking around in
plain sight. I cannot believe that they're not spotted. At some point. They're not
even really keeping to the shadows. At one point, they're walking behind a rack
of the masks that's, like, moving as if this is fucking Looney Tunes. Yeah.
Like, they are just. It's so ridiculous that they are, like, like, hiding and like,
oh, what's that? You know, I could hear, like, Cochran's. Be like, why is that
group of masks Moving over there. Go look at it, you know. And it's like
that, like walking across. So bad. It was funny when we were
watching that and my wife was, was we were commenting about the same thing.
Like they're not being careful at all. And then it shows, it shows
Dr. Dan walking and she's like, he's wearing corduroys.
I hadn't even noticed that. The loudest pants in the world.
Walking all through the factory. Dude. I mean what a great detail.
That's amazing. Oh my God. Not good. Sneakin pants.
No. Bad for sneaking. Not at all. Tactical. There's no such thing as a tactical
corduroy. Corduroy. No such thing.
Oh my God. Okay, so all right, so they find a
big box of the like chips basically. Right. They're the little like things
and God, I can't remember exactly how this plays out, but basically
they get it to play. He pushes a button, he somehow knows he sneaks up
to the actual control board again without being spotted. Computer circle.
It's like they have a circle of all this computer stuff with a mainframe thing
in the middle and all the scientists and robot guys,
whatever. And plus Cochrane are just like mingling around there. They're just
hanging. They're not looking around, they're not being. Nobody's guarding the main computer. No awareness
whatsoever. Going on, on. And so Dan is able to sneak up to some big
control board and presses a bunch of buttons which starts the thing that's
going to trigger all the lasers or whatever. How he possibly could
have known what to push makes no sense at all. I don't get that.
Whatever. He does it. And so. But some of the things starts playing and they
are like up in the rafters now above it with the box of things and
they dump them down. Yeah. And so as they're falling,
I'm not quite sure why this is happening, but they're sort of like, like sparking
and the lasers are shooting and it's like killing all the robots. I guess they're
kind of doing a little of what they did back at the motel when March
like tampered with it. I guess it's kind of like those
anti theft ink tags. Like if you mess with it, it's going to blow
your face inside of it. So it kills all the robots but not Cochrane.
Yes. So that's an interesting detail because he stands. Right. But then because the
ad, that commercial, the thing with the pumpkin is playing in that room,
which I think it was never intended to do. It was never going to play
in that room, the actual big Stonehenge bluestone reacts.
Yes. And it's like building up this laser and then there's like this laser
spinning around all the TVs with the pumpkins. And finally they kind of coalesce
in Cochrane and destroy him. Yes. So all the robots are dead,
Cochran's. Dead, and he kind of gets like. Turned to stone first
and then like, very weird, but that.
So now Ellie and Dan are able to leave. And so they get. Get in
a car. I can't remember if it was their car or some other car they
found. I don't realize. I don't even know. Yeah, in a car. They're driving away
and my first question here was like, what do they do they
think? Do they think this now means worse, that they're good?
That, like, the ads not going to play? Because it seems to me like it
would still play. Yeah. But it's like in the moment, it's like, hard to tell,
like, what are they doing next? Like, where are they going, rest of their plan?
Because what I. You'd have to assume all this is still going down, the kids
still have masks. And in fact, nothing that was at the factory had any
effect on what was going to happen later that night. True. Yeah. Right. The masks
already out there, the ads already given to the TV stations, like, everything's going to
play. So it's like, whatever. So they're driving and
she attacks him in the car. Yeah. And it's like,
this was a good twist. I got to be honest. Did not see this coming.
She's a robot now. How the hell did
they make one so fast? That's her. Yeah. Like, this is a weird.
A weird thing, right? Like, was she a robot
the whole time? No way. No, they had sex. Like, come on,
come on. Maybe he's not paying too much attention. The robots show no
emotion at all. Like, I don't think they can orgasm. Oh, wait a second,
wait a second, though. There's a scene where Dan
is in the elevator when they're doing the tour of the factory. And he comments
to Cochrane how, like, oh, these are all robots. They seem so real. And one
of the robots, like, sneezes. Yeah. Yeah. Like there was something added to make it
realistic. So, like, there's ways to make them maybe act more
real. The other thing is that Ellie, like, other than her
showing up and being like, this was my dad, like, there's not a whole lot
of proof that she necessarily was. I'm not sure how I feel about whether she
was or wasn't a robot the whole time. But I think it's definitely possible given
what we've been shown in the. I feel. I feel. I feel like I
hate it more if she's been a robot the whole time.
I hate it if they made her into a robot after
basically capturing her and then somehow are able to do it within the course of
an hour or whatever time passes. I hate that too. But I feel like I
hate it more if somehow this version of the robot is able to totally
pretend to be someone else, seduce somebody. Maybe it does explain why she
was so willing to jump in bed with him. But why would she shower?
Robots need to shower. None of it makes sense sense with the robot
and Ellie like at all. It's just weird. But they fight
and it's a great fight. Yeah. They have to stop the car, get out.
Like he. He like rips her arm off, but then the arm itself attacks
him and is trying to like choke him out. It's a great set of little
gag. It's a little gag fight. And we love arms getting ripped off
on the 2Dads1 movie podcast. It's one of our favorite things. Fourth movie
featuring removed or missing limbs. I believe I like at least the fourth out of
33. So that's pretty good. Yeah. So. And then,
you know, as we think that he's finished with the fight and he
like smashes her head. Yeah. And then this like loose arm
just starts choking. Yeah, that's right out of nowhere, which is very good. Here's actually
my biggest problem with Ellie is the robot because I'm not done with this yet.
Yeah. Why wouldn't she have killed
him before he could kill Cochrane and stop? And like,
why wouldn't she have attacked him when he first rescued her? Why let
him go through with all that? She would have been really like advanced program,
very strange. And it still would make sense. Cochrane would never program be like,
well, only attack him after I'm dead. Like that wouldn't you know what I mean?
It's just so weird. Like none of that makes any sense that she's either been
a robot the whole time. That doesn't make sense to me. Even that they were
able to make her into a robot in a brief amount of time doesn't make
sense to me. And having given that she is a robot, why she let him
go through with his plan to stop them to that point doesn't make any
sense. Like none of it makes sense about Ellie and the robot. And I'm never
getting over this. I get it. But, dude, you know what? The first thing.
When I get home, I'm gonna watch Halloween 4 and find out what happened.
Oh, I'm so sorry for you, man. You're gonna be so disappointed.
So, Dan. I mean, the main problem of this film has not been
solved yet, right? So Dan finally gets
somewhere where he can get to a phone. The Shamrock ad is approaching.
Importantly, not just somewhere. They had to drive to
Santa Mira. Now, they've driven far enough back. Apparently, he ends
up at the same gas station Ellie's dad went to at the beginning of the
movie, because it's the same attendant. So what? Where the hell even
were they? And how long was he driving? That's crazy. Again, something that makes no
sense, but he's back in, like, his town, basically. Yeah. And that's where he is.
And so. So he gets on the phone, and he's, like, telling. I guess
he's talking to who, the fcc? Yeah. This is
important because he's basically. He needs to call and say, don't air this on
three channels, apparently, right? Abc, NBC News. All the channels back then.
Exactly. And this. This thing is going to kill every kid in the country.
But there was some centralized number that he could call. And they're like,
what? No, there's nothing like that. He's like, you don't understand. I'm a doctor.
They're like, sir, let me connect you right, to the president of Tel Aviv.
Right. It's so bizarre. But he's able to. So. So then these kids show up
while he's on the phone. You've got to stop it. You got to take the
commercial off. You got to stop it. And it starts playing on the tv,
and these kids walk in with the masks on, and you got to stop it.
You got to stop it, stop it, stop it. And then it stops. It goes,
we're having technical difficulties. Whatever. So the kid goes up and flips that UHF dial
to, like, the next channel or whatever, and. And it's back on. And he goes,
no, it's the other one. You got to get the other channel, too. Oh,
we're having technical difficulties. Oh, he looks. Kid flips it again, and that one's
still going. And he's like, no, it's still going. You don't understand. You have to
stop it. You have to stop it, stop it, stop it, Stop. And the movie
basically ends. Yeah. And it's. That part's awesome. The very ending. The very
last, like, two minutes. I think the most tense thing being the very last.
I honestly, it almost saves the movie for me, like, not to the point I'm
gonna give it a good score or anything, but, like. But, like, it really redeemed.
Like, I. I finished the movie feeling better about it that it ended that way
where we have to. To assume that the children representing a 43 share
of American households are all now dead. Like, that's brutal, right? That's so dark
and messed up that I kind of love it. It actually made it. It improved
my overall vibe of the movie to have it end like that.
Yeah. No happy ending. No, I think that's definitely good. Like, if there was like,
a Hail Mary save at the end. Because also, like, this guy was
shown to not really care about even his own kids. So he's gonna go save
the children of the world. It didn't seem like. Like his fate here.
Oh, my God. So that's Halloween 3, season of the Witch.
Good Lord. Okay, I'm going to
kick this off because it was my selection.
Not that I regret it, but it was definitely an interesting choice. So,
look, overall, I enjoyed the experience of watching this movie. I will say
that this is not a good movie by kind of any measure I can really
think of outside of Carpenter's music is awesome. I love the way Carpenter's
scores make me feel while I'm watching. Watching a movie. It's. He's so manipulative in
the right. In a good way about it. The acting is nothing to.
To write home about. I don't like Tom Atkins as the hero. I love Dan
o'. Herlihy. I think he's a fantastic villain. His accent, his sort of muddled
British Isles accent is actually perfect for this. Really a lot
of fun. It is an inventive and creative concept.
I don't think it plays out as far as the plot goes,
as much as the concept had promise. Right. You know,
like, I kind of love the idea and the premise of this movie way more
than the actual execution of it. There's a lot of. Of real big holes.
Like I said, the whole Ellie's a robot thing, that doesn't make much sense in
several different ways. That's probably always gonna be an issue I have with it.
There's other things that happen that just kind of didn't really make a lot of
sense and aren't explained properly. There is a documentary about the making
of this movie that came out maybe like seven or eight years ago that I'm
going to be watching, watching. Maybe not tonight, but at some point. Yeah, that sounds
good. Just because I'm curious or Whatever. But, you know, this was a really interesting
movie, and it was a really. And it is a really interesting story. The whole
concept of, hey, let's make Halloween an anthology. Let's do something without Michael Myers.
Let's see how it goes. And to have it just absolutely explode in their faces
so horrifically that they then made nine more Halloween movies, all with Michael
Myers in them, is an interesting thing unto itself. Yeah.
As far as rating this movie goes, I'm gonna give it a two out of
five. I can't go as low as, like, one or one and a half or
anything like that because there are absolutely redeeming parts of the movie. Yeah, there are
parts of it that are a lot of fun. I laughed out loud a few
times. There's a couple of really great gruesome kills in the. In the sort of
Carpenter Halloween style. Again, the score is great. I do honestly think.
I think honestly that that last maybe two minutes worth of the movie where he's
in that. That service station trying to get the commercials shut off might have given
it a half a point, like, just on its own. Like, that really was a
great way to end it. It. But there's so much wrong with this movie.
And honestly, the lack of Michael Myers is the last thing I care about.
The movie itself just has problems from beginning to end.
But, yeah, I'm a two out of five on Halloween three, Season of the Witch.
Okay, well, I think that's fair enough. And all your points are
well taken. Yeah, I mean, it's like. It's hard to separate because sometimes
it's like, was this movie good? No. Did I have a hell
of a lot of fun talking about it? Yes, I did. And then by the
end of the episode, it's kind of hard to separate that because I'm like,
it wasn't as good as I. I enjoyed chatting about it.
But, yeah, a few things about this movie I thought were. Were kind
of interesting. One is, like, just the. The paranoia centered around
Halloween and trick or treating that has existed kind of since about that time,
maybe a little bit before. Yeah, I know this was around the time when they
were doing the. Like the razor blades and the apples and
the. The poison Tylenol thing, which was a real thing during that period that
they had found poison in different pill bottles. So, like, there was a lot of
paranoia with that. Some of the things that Dan is paranoid
about in this movie, like being listened to, being videoed and stuff, it's like we
all just accept that that's just normal life now. Like, that's happening 100% of the
time. So it's kind of interesting to see that. But yeah,
I mean, basically this was a film fundamentally
about the dangers of Irish immigration. Hey, now.
And no, it is. It's funny. I like
my family's Irish as well. I don't like the Irish as the
bad guys. It's not as fun of an accent to do, I swear.
We've decided as a society, it is the Italian accent that's the
fun one to do. So that should be what the guys are. Because when I'm
trying to quote the bad guy, it doesn't really work as well in
this. This was pretty influential also,
I do want to say, like, with the theft of Stonehenge, it was kind of
funny to see, like, a Carmen Sandiego element to this movie that.
That I thought was pretty. Pretty interesting. But yeah, I.
Same thing. I think there was a lot of cool ideas. Kind of like in
the Simpsons episode where Homer was allowed to design his own car. Oh, yes.
He was like, I want a horn. Here, here, here, here, and here. It was
like they made this movie. And then someone was like, well, what about aliens?
Well, what about this? Or what about that? But if you're a person walking
into this film. 1982. Halloween. Great Halloween.
It's going to have Michael Myers. Doesn't have Michael Myers. It's all right. Season of
the Witch. It's going to have witches. Doesn't really have witches. The title,
the packaging of this makes no sense. Right. It's like if we packaged it as
something else, it might have done better, but entertaining.
If you're a horror movie person, you know that they don't have to be good
to enjoy them. And I think this is one that is not good, but is
enjoyable. I'm going to go ahead and give this one a two out of five.
Okay. All right. So we are four out of ten on Halloween. Three.
Season of the Witch. And before we find out what movie we're watching next week,
I should mention. So this is the last episode in our Shocktoberfest series.
Great Shocktober. Lot of fun. Lot of fun. We have a whole new
theme month coming up, though. The entire month of November is going to be
cagevember. We are going to watch nothing but Nicolas
Cage movies in the month of November. And I could not be more excited
about this. So, Nick, given that parameter, tell us what
is the first Nicholas Cage movie we are watching for Cage? Remember? Oh,
man. Yeah. And this theme, when you suggested this theme, I really that
it really put a hop in my. I think this is the first one I
came up with. I think we did this one first and we added a few.
We did Shocktoberfest after. But like the first one, I thought it was like we
got to do Nicholas Cage and we got to do a lot of it.
I feel like you thought of Cage Vember before you. You even thought of this
podcast. Maybe it might be we built the. Whole thing around it.
But yeah, Nicholas Cage, I mean he's so great because he's actually good
and then he's cheesy good in different ways. He gets,
especially during this time period, was on like some pretty interesting projects,
some really fun movies. So I want to
take us to one of our favorite Nick Cage movies and
I'll talk about the story about it next week. But Nick Cage kind
of in. In my mind, like in his prime. We're talking late 90s.
I think we're in 97 for this next one here.
And Nick Cage is a man with a good heart and soul,
but who has somehow been convicted of a crime and
he ends up having to be transported.
He's about to get out of jail and he's going to be transported via airplane
with a whole lot of other convicts, which they call Con
Air. I cannot wait to talk Con Air. It might be
our first five hour episode. I. It's so fun.
And yeah, Steve, that's what I have for us for the. To kick off cagevember.
The thing about Con Air as a great choice for this first Cage member
movie is not just how good Nicholas Cage Cage is in Con Air, which he
is spectacular. This accent alone we'll talk about for. For 10 or 15 minutes
probably. But the rest of the cast, Malkovich and Cusack
and Buscemi and Ving Rhames and like, oh, it's Colin
Coleman. Yeah, yeah. Like there's just so many amazing Danny.
Trejo, Dave Chappelle, John Leguizamo. Like it's, it's really Buscemi.
Absolutely. Like it's crazy. Absolutely loaded cast. So that's going to be a ton of
fun. So listener, join us. Next week we will kick off cagevember with we're
gonna watch Conair and it's gonna be fantastic and you're gonna love it. We're gonna
love it and everybody's gonna have a great time. That about wraps it up.
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another episode of 2dads1movie. I am Steve. And I'm Nick. And we will catch you
next week with Conair and the start of Cage of Ember. Yeah. Thanks, everybody.
See you next time.