It's time for lunch. Angelo.
It's 10:30. Right around that corner there is a sandwich shop.
They sell meatball sandwiches. Best I've ever tasted.
Would you go get me too? Come on, partner. Two.
Thank you.
Utah, give me two.
It's two Dads one Movie. It's the podcast where two mid dads sit
around and shoot the shit about the movies of the 80s and 90s. Here are
your hosts, Steve Paulo and Nick Briana. Hello everybody.
It's another episode of 2 Dads 1 Movie. I'm Steve. And I'm Nick.
And today we're talking about the movie Point Break. And of course it's very important
to mention this is a podcast about the movies of the 80s and 90s where
talking about the good Point Break, the one from 1991,
not that X Games remake from, I don't even know, 2015 or
something like, screw that. No, no, no. This is, this is Keanu Reeves. This is
Patrick Swayze. This is Katherine Bigelow. This is the original Point Break. Very excited.
Absolutely. We both love this
one. In high school, college, like, you know, teens,
twenties. This one hits. Checks all the boxes. So much cool guy
activity. Cannot wait to talk about this one today. Yes. And I know this is
an audio medium, so it sort of doesn't matter, but I am actually wearing a
shirt that says Utah, give me two. I can verify
that it's awesome and I am very jealous. Yeah, it's,
it's good stuff. And I get all kinds of fun comments from, from people,
most of whom don't actually recognize the reference. But those who do,
you know, it's a moment of realization between two middle aged dudes going like,
yep, that guy likes cool movies. All right, so Nick, this was your
pick. You picked Point Break for us. Why don't you give us just a little
rundown of like your history with the movie and maybe why you picked it.
Yeah, I think this was a good word of mouth,
teens, 20s kind of movie, VHS,
DVD classic where someone would show up to your house, hey, we're gonna hang out,
have a couple beers before we do whatever we're doing tonight. Let's pop in
Point Break. And it just hit every time.
There's a lot of real action. It looks really cool. The plot is
interesting, it's well paced, but also there's just a lot of unintentional
and intentional comedy in this one. I feel like there's a lot to keep you
engaged and very quotable, like you said. Utah, get me to probably least
relevant quote to the Plot, Right. For a quote that everyone would associate
with a movie. Right. Yeah. And. And you know, we'll just go ahead and I'll
just jump in on this part real quick. I read recently that that was a
Gary Busey improv that wasn't in the script. He just
leaned out the window as. As Utah walked away to go get his meatball sandwiches
and said, utah, give me two. Totally off the cuff. That's Gary Busey for you.
Long before the brain completely rotted away. We still have some abuse left.
A little tiny bit, but yeah. Okay, cool. So, yeah, for me,
you know this. Yeah, this is a movie I probably saw originally in high school.
I wouldn't have seen this one in the theater. We were, I don't like 11
when this came out. A little too young. A little too young for rated R.
My parents were pretty strict on the rated R thing until I was about 15
maybe or so. So that's probably about when I saw it. I think I've seen
the first hour of this movie like a dozen times and the whole movie like
the second hour like two or three times for whatever reason. It's something where all
the stuff that happened kind of up to and including the first parachute jump
was very familiar. Yeah. And then after that it was kind of like I had
not remembered a lot of it from that point on. So that was an interesting.
An interesting watch through to sit down and just watch the whole thing through.
Yeah. And it's still good in the second half, but it is just, I don't
know, you pop it on and you kind of. You zone out or you're just
checking out the action and checking in from time to time rather than being fully
locked into it. Absolutely. All right, let's jump into just the facts on Point
Break. So this movie was released on July 12, 1991.
It was R rated, of course, totally well earned.
Running time of 122 minutes. Directed by Catherine Bigelow,
written by W. Peter Iliff. And I always appreciate people who have a first initial
middle name thing going on. That's always a lot of fun. Yeah. Starring mostly Patrick
Swayze and Keanu Reeves. They got the above the title billing in the credits,
but also Lori Petty playing a huge role here as well. Scores very,
very respectable scores. 70% of Rotten Smith tomatoes. That's a nice clean certified
fresh rating. And a 7.3 on IMDb means, yeah, this is
a well liked movie. This is a movie people dig. Awards. It did win
one award. It was nominated for a few MTV Movie awards at the
1992 MTV Movie Awards. Two of the nominations
in the same category. All right. As both Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze were nominated
for Most Desirable Male. And Keanu took away the
trophy that night. So it's like it's both our moon man. We just keep it
at my house. I. I want to try to hunt down the acceptance speech from
that night. I don't know if anybody's got it, but it would be really fun.
I'm sure Kean Reeves must have mentioned his co stars, you know, co nomination there.
It was also nominated for best action sequence but lost. It was the second
parachute jump when Utah has to catch bod midair. Was nominated for
best action sequence but lost to the LA.
The LA freeway action scene from Terminator 2, which. Yeah,
that makes sense. Dollar for dollar. I mean, if this.
You'll get to in a second. The budget for this film, $24 million.
Bad to be in the conversation with Terminator 2 at that time.
Must have been 100 something million, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It was a $24 million
budget. It earned almost $84 million. The box office.
That is a hit. That's a hit movie. Basically three and a half times what
it cost. This was a hit. There's kind of no denying it. And, you know,
it's not a surprise. Let's dive in, man. Let's jump into the movie.
I just want to. Before we get into the plot, I just want to mention
we saw a coup, watched the River Wild together
and commented several times on the cinematography and sort of the beauty of it.
Yeah, this is another movie that is just gorgeous. It looks great.
It's. You know, we start off with this sort of dual.
These sequences going back and forth between Johnny Utah apparently still at
Quantico finishing his training or something, or. And then. And then our. Our surfer
buddies. And the surfing cinematography is. Is really out of this world.
It is fantastic. It looks amazing. Yeah, it's not distracting at all.
It doesn't look like it's just spliced in from another source. It flows in
seamlessly for the movie. Yeah. So we have Bodhi kind of doing
his big wave extreme surfing, whatever he's doing. And then we've got
Johnny Utah just taking out wooden cutouts
of bad guys which are just exploding. They must be like, look,
can you use a smaller caliber? Like we have a lot of guys that need
to train on these. We can't have you blowing. I got to paint that now.
I got to paint a mean face on this fake bank robber again. But it
was showing, you know, Johnny Utah's skill level. Right. How adept he is with the
gun and just going through. And if you are a fake wooden cut
out of a criminal, you cannot sleep soundly at night knowing that Johnny Utah is
on the case. Yeah, absolutely. This was also, it's kind of interesting, I was thinking
when we're watching this that this was maybe a glimpse, you know,
Reeves kind of borrowed from this moment when he, you know, really ideated around John
Wick and all the absolute just terror that that man handles. Just a handgun.
But ye. Yeah, it's, it was, it was very impressive. And, and we're told,
of course, hey, perfect score, Johnny. Way to go. Yeah, 100%. 100% Utah.
Good job. But also, you know, just to, to something to remember,
I guess as we go through the plot of the film and we'll come back
to this like it is pouring rain. I mean it is, it is drenching
him in rain. And yeah, I think interestingly,
just what is the, you know, wooden cut out budget
of the FBI? It must be very high. It's. Yeah, it's off the charts,
I think. And something that I want to do some research on because
we've had a lot of movies deal with this issue. I feel like cinematic
guns work so well when they're soaking wet and I don't know, can you just
dip a gun fully in a lake and then pull it up and have it
shoot? I am admittedly not a firearms expert in
any way, shape or form. I did earn a marksmanship badge in the Boy Scouts
when I was about 13, you know, firing a very lightweight.22 rifle down
range 100ft or something. So, you know, not exactly military
experience. So you weren't in a monsoon? No, no. With two Sig
Sours blasting away. Absolutely not very dry. Perfect. Optimum conditions.
Beautiful camp. Camp Wolf Borrow in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains. Yeah.
No, I don't know, man. It seems like it wouldn't work. I don't know.
It, it does seem like it looks cool. It, it really adds to the
drama. It, it does really add to it. It makes it very, very fun.
Okay, cool. So we, we see Utah, he's doing his
thing. We've got Bodhi introduced to us really briefly. Not even really the character yet,
but we see the surfing. We know this is a movie that we're surfing is
very much at the center. And very quickly we move to Johnny
Utah showing up for his first day at work. Yeah. So yeah, like this is
to talk to me about the scene, okay. Being introduced by one of the great
character actors, John C. McGinley. So good, you know, that we're,
we're absolutely flush with quality John C.
If he's like a secondary good John C. Right. Like John C. Reill is
a little superior, but he, John C. McGinley is very
good at being kind of the fast talking asshole co worker.
He's been in Wall street office space, like a bunch of things where he's just
perfect in this. And he's kind of running down to Utah like, you know,
I don't know about where you're from, but we don't fuck around here. You know,
we don't drink, we don't smoke, we don't, you know, do all this stuff.
And Utah responds with I cut
the skin off my chicken, sir. Right. And then turns right around and grabs a
donut off of whatever. I love these. I just clearly screwing with really good.
And to his credit, McGinley's character picks up on it right away as well.
But he does not like Utah. It's clear off the bat. Right. Also there's
a couple references, I think, I think McKinley says it once. And then we're about
to meet Angelo, Gary Busey's character as well, very early on here. And they both
use a term that I had to look up. So I don't know if you're
familiar with the SERM, but John C. McGinley calls Keanu Reeves character Johnny
Utah a Blue Flame Special. And then Angelo,
you know, Gary Busey calls him a Blue Flamer. And I was like, I thought
maybe like, like I've heard Blue Light Special, but that's like something about. No,
I didn't hear. And I'm glad you brought that up because I didn't write it
down, but I remember hearing it. What, what was, what did you find? Yeah,
so apparently it is literally about referring to a, a very inexperienced,
even rookie law enforcement officer, especially one just put on special assignment.
So I mean it's literally, it's like exactly what Utah is just a sort
of a kind of cop talk that they clearly did enough research to put
in into the film appropriately. But yeah, that's what a Blue Flame or a Blue
Flame special or a Blue Flamer or whatever refers to of young inexperienced
cop ready to take on this special assignment. Yeah. And they seem like they have
very little respect for him. Although Utah comes in very kind of.
He's idealistic, but he seems very eager to do his best and contribute
and, and bring everything he can to the Table. So it is
kind of funny that they're just like, whatever. You haven't worked here for 15 years.
You don't know how to properly, you know, make coffee in our broken coffee machine.
You. Yeah, it does seem like if the point here is to stop bank robbers.
Right. This is specifically. He's been assigned to the bank robbery division in Los Angeles,
which does seem like, that seems like a desirable assignment
if you're an FBI agent. This does seem like, I'm not quite sure. We don't
really get an idea. Other than his 100% shooting performance, why Utah maybe would get
this assignment sort of straight out of Quantico, as they say. Right. Straight out of
the academy, the FBI training facility. So. But here he is, you know, I mean,
it's, he, it's, it's. He's ready to take on the bank robbers.
I want to ask you something about this because they mentioned it kind of in
this movie and in other bank robber, bank robbery movies there'll be some kind
of graphic at the beginning. You know, in the city of Los angeles, there are
700 bank robberies a year. Yeah. Where's the news on any of this
shit? Why are we seeing the water skiing squirrel if there's 700 bank robberies a
year? I feel like I'm never made aware of any bank robberies on the news.
Right. To be fair, that waterskiing squirrel was San Diego, not la. Just throwing
that out there. But no, you make a good point. And I think you can't
travel well. You know, I think there's a handful of things going on here.
I think one is the suppression of the real news
by the fake news media, the lamestream media, currently, you know, and you go back
to the pandemic, just real all bad stuff. Now can, you know, I think that
there is an element of like, you know, what do they say when you,
when you talk about some of these crimes? Right. You know, it sort of glorifies
it. It makes you inspire copycats. The nature of bank robbery as a
crime is super interesting to me, always has been. Because the people whose
money is being stolen are insured by the government via the fdic. So it is,
it is not a victimless crime, don't get me wrong. Even if nobody gets hurt
during the robbery. But it is a weird one where it's sort of like,
yeah, who are you feeling bad for? I guess. Yeah. It's kind of an abstract
victim. Yeah. To the crime, I guess it is a little different. So, yeah.
So I think that's One of the reasons. And then if they really are as
common or were in the, you know, maybe late 80s, early 90s, as this movie
leads us to believe, part of the reason you wouldn't hear much about them is
that they'd be happening so often. That would be all would be on the recording.
It's a sort of like, yeah, there was another bank, Robbie, in LA county today.
Yeah. Six million people live in LA County. There's got to be other stuff to
talk about. So. And then again, I don't know if it's still
so rampant, like, if, you know, in today's day and age with modern technology,
if bank robbery is still so common or if it's far more like, you know,
what you definitely don't hear about nowadays is all the companies getting ransomed over,
like cyberware, you know, cybersecurity attacks where they have to, like, pay bitcoin to some,
you know, Bangladeshi gang. Like, that kind of stuff doesn't hit the news when it
happens. Right. So it's probably. That's probably the modern version of
not hearing about all these bank robberies. Yeah. Well, and to be fair, I only
get my bank robbery statistics from the text that shows up at the beginning of
the Den of Thieves movies. Ah. So, you know, that might be a little bit
out of date. That's possible. I also want to comment. So really early
on in the movie, I think. I think we get a shot of her before
Utah shows up to the, to the, to the
beach. But if not, it came to my mind because she's in the credits,
but Lori Petty. What happened to Lori Petty? She's cute and she's.
And she, and she's good in this movie. And she was fantastic in Tank Girl,
and I literally can't think of any other thing she's done besides point breaking.
Tank Girl. Yeah, I don't know what happened to her. And I. I mean,
Tank Girl was her thing. Oh, God. Yeah, that was so. That seemed like a
launching point for somebody to have a career as a star of,
you know, like a quirky. Right. But yeah,
still very attractive. Can play a lot of different directions. Yeah,
she was never going to steal roles from, like, Julia Roberts, but she absolutely had,
like, star quality. And I'm kind of surprised that the, the early 90s did
not, you know, the early to mid-90s did not give us more Lori Petty.
Yeah. Maybe she learned how easy it is to rob banks.
So. So Utah, he's kind of getting talked down by the. The veteran John
C. McGinley, and he's being brought to meet his partner.
And we're shown a scene where the agents training
for the day is that they have to put on a blindfold and dive into
a swimming pool and pull two bricks from the bottom of the pool and bring
them up. Right. Which is. Is this happening a lot? Is there like a.
Like the freighter boat that's leaving Fort Knox blows
up, and then there's all these gold bars at the bottom of the ocean that.
I'm pretty sure Fort Knox is landlocked, so I don't think that's a. That's a
specific. It's Kentucky. Right. Well, in the prequel, they dig a canal from
the sea all the way to Fort Knox. Now, it does feel like summer camp.
I'm not really sure why, what kind of activity this is supposed to be,
but. But it's. It's an odd one. And throwing those, like, little rings,
like the weighted rings into the pool and stuff for your kids. I would do
that for both my kids as they learn to swim. Angelo, appropriately, I think,
complains about it, like, I don't know what this has to do with stopping bank
robbers. And I don't think he's wrong. I can't either. And it was a great
way to introduce this scene where. So he's being blindfolded as he's about to go
dive for his bricks. And he thinks he's still talking to the other officer,
but really it's his new partner, Johnny Utah, stand standing across from.
And he mentions, like, I don't, you know, I want to be matched up with
a real cop, basically, not some young puke quarterback punk.
And then he introduces himself. Oh, sorry,
I'm Angelo Pappas. He goes, punk. Quarterback punk.
So Utah, he knows that these guys are trying to fuck with him. He's not
green in any way. Like, he seems like he knows how to deal with people
and he knows what to expect from these people in his new position. Right.
I have a feeling that the. The sort of camaraderie and the hazing that comes
along with it in the FBI or in any law enforce organization, you know,
male dominated, like certainly as it was back then, still is, but even more so
in the early 90s, it's probably very similar to being in, like, a college football
locker room where that kind of, like, mentality is super rampant and prevalent. And.
And if you can't, you know, if you can't dish it as good as you
take it, that you'll just find yourself kind of in trouble and not having a
good Time. And that's probably. There's a little bit of Utah. I mean, you know,
was Utah frat boy at Ohio State. He must have been. Right? There's no way
he wasn't. He was the star quarterback. Yeah, he does.
I mean, yeah, you have to be. And it's Ohio State, so it's not like
a school. Like certain times you go to a school and there's not a big
fraternity scene because there's a lot of just other stuff going on. But if you're
at one of those like college town type colleges, it's a. Probably almost required.
Absolutely. Yeah. So. So. So Papas, this Angelo
Pappas and. And Johnny Utah meet each other and
then it's cutting right to the action of the antagonists, I guess
in the movie who were chasing after. And this is the ex Presidents. So cool.
Busting into a bank. And there's four of them in President Mass.
We got Ronald Reagan, we got Carter, Lyndon Johnson and Tricky
Dick Nixon. I would love to see where you can find a Lyndon Johnson nowadays.
That's probably. That's a deep cut. I mean, at that point, I feel like at
that age, at that era, it would have been easier to find either Gerald ford
or George H.W. bush. It would have to have been. But yeah, so they went
with lbj. Interesting choice. A Kennedy mask wasn't available, I guess.
Like, I'm not really sure why exactly it was Johnson, but it did seem a
little odd. It was sort of like in some ways the way that Mount Rushmore
has Teddy Roosevelt on it because he happened to be president when they made Mount
Rushmore. Oh, nice. Now he. Partly also because of his work creating the national park
system. Don't get me wrong, it's not. But you know, it's. It's Washington, Jefferson,
Lincoln, the second Roosevelt, the less popular Roosevelt.
Same kind of thing. So we have Reagan, we have Nixon, we have Carter,
who had just, you know, recently been in office before Reagan and then Lyndon B.
Johnson. Okay, let's move on from that. But yeah, interesting choice. But it's a great,
great scene of just kind of showing their efficiency and like the way that there's
a. Yeah, they're really a machine going in and doing
these bank robberies. But then there's this like, playfulness to them, like that they,
they almost know that we have this figured out.
Like you're not going to catch us and we're not going to fuck up.
Right? Because we're on top of it and we stay within our limits and we
don't we don't push things too much. So it establishes them as very competent,
very pro antagonists here. Very professional. In and out in 90 seconds.
Nobody gets hurt. They really control the room. They stay out of the vault,
we're told. Right. Papas is telling you to all this about them. They're only going
for the cash drawers, which obviously still has a ton of money. If you're going
to every bank teller's cash drawer in a bank in the middle. Especially in 91
versus today. Yeah. Where everything was cash. Right. So, yeah. Plenty of money to take
there. But it gets you in and out quickly. You don't waste time. Nobody has
to get hurt. No, you don't. You don't need to wrestle with who's got the
keys to what or blah, blah. You just go through. Right. So very smart and
a very worthy opponent for our bank robber hunting FBI agents.
Yeah. And the FBI has no clue what's going on.
And the FBI is kind of like, these guys are making us look stupid.
Right. And Utah kind of
picks up on the fact that the other agents are kind of giving Angela a
hard time about what his theories might be about this group of bank robbers.
And he's able to provoke him by kind of, you know,
oh, you're washed up. You don't care about this anymore. But I care. And he
gets a little fire out of Papas and gets him to tell him his theory
about how they're surfers. That's right. And they go through some evidence that
they have, you know, like, you know, this is the tan line.
I like that. The one of the bank robbers moons. Yes. The security
cameras. Cameras. And they can tell from the tan line at the. At the top
of his butt. Correct. That a good, good job.
The thing is though, it is la. Probably a lot of people just go to
the beach, you know, wear board shorts and go to the beach and would have
a similar tan line. I do think it's funny that that. To get to that.
To get Papas to that point, Utah suggests that they go handle the drop
car with the car that the bank robbers used to get away. And Papa's piss
off about this. He does not want to do that. That is crap work.
Yeah. But it gives them a chance to like talk more and stuff. And something
I noticed real quick while they were at the drop car, Utah is looking around
for clues and there is like a CSI guy sort of in the car with
them. You know, he's like dusting for prints or looking for something, whatever. That actor
is actually the Dude's landlord from the Big Lebowski who
ends up doing that weird one, man. Okay, that guy looked familiar. I was,
was killing me who it was and I totally forgot to look him up.
Thank you. Yeah, yeah. The character's name apparently was Halsey, although I don't think we
actually hear his name at any point. That is who that was. That was.
Oh, my God. Okay, good. Good to know that. Good to know that.
Yeah. So you know the next step, you determine that this
is a bunch of surfers, right? Johnny Utah, who's never surfed before is like,
okay, well, I'm going to go purchase a brand new surfboard and go to the
hardest part of the ocean to try to start surfing. Yeah, well, it is Papas's
idea because he even says, I cannot just walk around with this thing, you know,
pretend he's like, well, no, they'll sniff you out real quick. They'll take river.
And obviously Papas being probably like, what, in his 50s, right. Is not going to
be able to blend in the way that a 25 year old Johnny
Utah is gonna be able to blend in with these people. So he's got to
learn how to surf. But he doesn't really go about it in a very smart
way. He kind of just gets in the water and pretty much almost dies right
away. Like the movie could have been over after like 15 minutes if he had
just drowned. Just ex quarterback washes up on the rocks.
It would have been a hell of a, hell of a headline. But in,
in drowning, he meets the kind of third major character
of the movie, a woman named Tyler, who, I've got to be honest, I've never
met a woman named Tyler. I knew plenty of guys named Tyler, but Tyler is
played by Lori Petty and she rescues Utah from the surf as
he is being tumbled left and right. She drags him out, screams at him,
tells him what of an idiot he is and you know, that he needs to
stay the hell out of there. And so of course he does what any good
cop would do, which is spy on her. Yeah, yeah. And that was a good
rescue that she was. She cared about his life, but not about him in
any way. Right? Like, I don't want this sack of meat to die, but I
hope I never see this guy again. It's literally all about, if there is a
dead body here, it's going to ruin my surfing because there's going to be like
cops and like CSI investigation. They're going to shut the beach down. I want to
surf. Yeah. So this asshole Is not allowed to die here. Which she literally says,
if you're going to commit suicide, go to somebody else's, you know, break or whatever.
Right? Yeah, yeah. She's not interested in him, but he's very persistent.
Yeah. And he kind of has a little background info on
her after he meets her for the first time. So knowing what he knows about
her background, he makes up a story for himself that he knows
will appeal to her. I think her parents had died in a accident of
some sort. And he goes up and basically tells
her about, oh, you know, I gotta make the most out of life and whatever.
I want to surf. Also, my parents died, so can
we be friends now? Oh, my God. So dark and. And,
you know, she's easy to sway, I guess. Well, you know,
I think he's a. Compelling story and he doesn't seem like a liar. He was
out there trying to surf at first. Right. It's cleared. So from her perspective,
this looks like a guy clearly doesn't know what he's doing. Doesn't know shit about
surfing. Nearly killed himself trying to surf. Now is asking for her help. She doesn't
want to do it, but, you know, one orphan to another, basically,
she's got a soft spot for this, what this guy's going through. And, you know,
he talks about the reason he wants to learn to serv is because he was
living for his parents. He was always making choices his parents wanted him to make.
And it was when they died, he realized he needed to live for himself.
It is a great story if it's true. And given that it's
not, fuck you, Johnny Utah. Like, God damn. And I
was really. I have always hated this kind of part of it.
And luckily it does come back to haunt the character that he does it.
So it pays off. The storytellers are doing a good job, but it is a
thing where it's like, man, this makes takes like Utah's a. He's looking bad,
right? He's looking back real bad. It is a really dark thing to sort of
use the orphan angle to try to get in with somebody. But he does,
and it works. She agrees to help him out. Yeah. Another thing that they
didn't address as being a lie in this movie, but just kind of popped a
big question mark up over my head. Johnny Utah said he had
a football scholarship to law school. Well,
did he say that exactly? Because I. There's definitely. They didn't break down the full
thing, but he basically. Obviously to go to law school at a football scholarship and
maybe he had some other scholarship that paid for the rest. And I guess it
was very weird because later. A little later on, just skipping ahead of. We'll come
back a second. But a little later on, he really. When he's recognized by Bod
later as number nine, Johnny Utah, quarterback of the Iowa State Buckeyes,
he makes a comment about, like, he blew out his knee in the Rose bowl
playing against usc, and that's why he couldn't go pro. He had two
years to recover, so he went to law school instead. And, like, all this stuff.
And he's only 25. So I'm like, like, so, huh? Like, how is
this time you were. One of those, like, five years where he gets, like,
a law degree and a bachelor's thing? Because, like, people do with masters
and stuff. Yes, but a master's degree is already only two years. A law degrees,
three. It just doesn't. The math. Doesn't math on Utah's backstory at all. And given
that we know he's undercover and talking to people, how much of it are we.
Is even real? Like, we know he's really a quarterback because Papas calls him a
quarterback, you know, and obviously Bodhi recognizes him as. Him as the
quarterback. So, like, that part is all true. He was a quarterback at Ohio State.
There's no denying that. Yeah, that. That just was funny to me. Like, when they
say stuff like that, where it's like, okay, you can't explain this for five sentences.
You just have to make it short. Tyler agrees to help him
surf. There's a good montage of her kind of helping him surf. And hard to
tell exactly how many days this takes place for. It might
all be the same. Feels like a week, might be a while. It felt like
a few days because. There were different times of day. She had to meet it
at 6am And. Yeah. And she's teaching him how to surf.
And then Utah just notices out in the waves during one
of their breaks, he sees this other guy surfing who's. Really, really quite good.
Oh, man, that guy's really ripping it up. And that's where we're introduced to Bodhi
and where Tyler. Tyler explains who Bode is. Yeah, and the funny
part is. Is, like, I don't know if people went into it. This was a
little, little bit that I picked up on. I've recently had to learn some
Sanskrit words for some voiceover work I've been doing. And she says,
yeah, that's Bodhi. They call him the Bodhisattva. And Bodhisattva is
actually a Sanskrit word for like, like a Buddhist teacher or mentor
or like an enlightened person that is leading other people. Like, it's not, you're not
necessarily like, like a yogi, but like it is sort of a role
of stature, you know, in sort of the enlightened
community of sort of Buddhism and some of that stuff. So basically his name's not
Bodhi. Bodhi, yeah. That's just a nickname they, they call him, they call him Bodhisattva.
The nickname is Bodhisattva. So his name is not actually Bodhi, which I thought was
interesting because I know plenty of people had kids in the 90s and named
them Bodhi. Yeah. Like legitimately. Yeah, yeah. But it is actually apparently a term
that refers to like teacher, enlightened teacher. So very. And,
and also a big blow to Steely Dan that this is the thing that most
people know Bodhisattva from rather than their song Bodhisattva.
Oh, well, this is funny when Bodhi comes out of the water and Utah
is kind of talking to Tyler and he, he catches Utah's eyes and gives him
the shush, shush. I'm going to sneak up on her. She,
she introduces him or just, you know, this is
my friend and he looks at Utah surfboard. He says, that sure
is a surfboard. Like, looks like a 57 Chevy I used to have.
So he's already throwing a little shade at it. Absolutely. Well, it is a big,
dumb, touristy looking. And we look at everybody else's surfboard, it's like they're shorter,
they'll narrow or they come to more of a point. Yeah. You know, which seems,
which feels like I don't know anything about surfing personally, but it feels like maybe
that is a little harder to control, but gives you much more control
over your direction stuff. Whereas the larger one is maybe easier to stay on,
but now you're lumbering around sort of, you think about like a longboard,
like a skateboard. It's doing tricks on a skateboard. So. But yeah, he does look
a bit like a, a surf tourist at this point for sure. This is one
of my favorite scenes, just visually. And I always like when they do this
where they're doing some kind of nighttime activity which is lit by everybody's
cars all parked in a circle or square with the headlights on.
And they have some beach football going on. We got the surfers
just playing in jeans and like leather vests on the. Beach, like a biker gang
playing, playing. A little 5 on 5 tackle
touch hybrid beach football Co ed. There's definitely tackling
going on. Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot of stuff going on. At a
certain point it's, it's like getting competitive a bit between Utah, Bodie and
Bode is taking off after catching a pass. So in this
five on five game, Utah goes by about 12 offensive blockers
and on the, on the 50 yards that they're playing on, he runs about
two and a half miles down into the ocean to tackle Bodhi.
It does seem like wherever the end zone was marked, Bodhi has
passed it long ago. Right. He looked like he was stealing the football at that
point. I'm taking this, I'm going home. And, and it looks like there's a little
bit of a tussle. But somebody recognizes Utah
and the group of guys that least looks like they would
know college football is all very much into college football. This is not
an SEC style, aesthetic, crowd. This is like.
And look back then. So I guess in part, okay,
if you're looking back at that time, the 80s 90s, a few things were
very, were different, very different than they are today in college football. One of which
is that the, the Rose bowl, like there was no national championship game, the bcs,
all this kind of stuff we have today, there's no playoffs or anything. So the
Rose bowl was always just between the winner of the pack 10 and the winner
of the big 10. And so there were real rivalries that would get built up
over time. And USC had a lot of dominant years back in those days.
And so if you cared about football at all and you lived in la,
the Rose bowl game was like one game you probably watched every
year. It was, it was like a second super bowl in a lot of ways
because either UCLA or USC was often playing in that game.
And then against another major school, it would be Ohio State, Michigan,
Michigan State, I don't know. You know, there are a handful of schools that were
regularly win out in the Big Ten and come out and play at the Rose
Bowl. It's a neat thing. And it was sort of an LA identity thing for
at least a while between the parade and the game. So I'll give it to
them. But like, you're right, it is a little strange that all of these bank
robbing, biker gang looking surfer dudes. Yeah. Are totally
into the fact that this guy played in the Rose bowl three years ago.
Right. Well. And I guess it's maybe a little comment
on there was more of a monoculture in a lot
of ways. Back in the early 90s where it's like, well, everyone saw the World
Series even if they don't give a shit about baseball. And now you can kind
of point out, based on somebody's how. Based on how somebody's dressed, how they look.
He probably doesn't like college football back then. It's like, well, there were three channels.
Yeah. And we were all stoned in Bodhi's thing, you know. And the Rose bowl
game in particular was always on New Year's Day. What else were you doing?
True. Right. There was no NFL football being played that day. It was like the
Rose bowl was on. And if the local team was playing, it's like, yeah,
I can see it. There we go. Yeah. But yeah, great memories on these stoner
surfers. They remember uniform numbers and everything. It's interesting.
Interesting. Still doesn't quite line up, but we'll move on and we'll give it to
W. Peter Eiffel. I guess after this football
scene, we're kind of finding out that they're doing some analysis
on the very little amount of evidence that they've retrieved from
one of the bank robbery scenes, which was a hair sample. Right. They say something.
A security guard grabbed a ponytail. Yeah. And got a little bit of hair.
And so they've got this available to them to analyze and they're able to see
these chemicals. They have to go look at the different beaches to find out where
the water matches this particular chemical composition. They figure
if they find a sample from surfers at certain beaches where the profile of the
chemicals match, then they at least know which beach to look at for their guys
because they, they determine that the surfers are territorial. Right. Which we find out in
a much harder way very soon here. Yeah. Which. And it's absolutely accurate, I think,
I think you know something true at least about surfers throughout
popular culture, like I think every single TV show, movie, whatever, that involved surfers that
I've ever seen, they talk about it be them doing territorial. Right. This is like
a locals only break or this is, you know, our group surfs here and
you, if you just, you know, come in and tourists, that doesn't work. Right.
So that makes a lot of sense. I did wonder when
they start going around looking for hair
samples. Right. From people. First of all, it's ludicrous the way they just literally go
cut people's hair and stuff, whatever. But they show the beach and I don't know
if, I don't know where in LA county this is, but they show the beach
and like, right next to the beach are these factory, big factory, smoke stacked?
I'm like, is there really somewhere in LA where it's that close to, like a
beach people populate and surf at? I don't think so. Remember that TV show
Step by Step? It was like a TGIF show. There was a
scene at the beginning of the show, the intro song, and then they're zooming out.
It's showing the family all on like a roller coaster, Right. And as it's zooming
out, it's basically showing that this wooden roller coaster is right. Like the waves are
breaking right up against the bottom of it where it's like, that's not anywhere.
No, I think it was a step by step style situation with this factory.
But it was very prominent. They didn't talk about it, but it was like very
prominent background. It was like children of men behind them.
Yeah. They were clearly trying to show how it's like, well, you know, they have
to close the beaches because of the chemicals. And this is like, you know,
this is why the chemicals here would be unique to this beach.
Because, look, there's that. And the next beach, you know, five miles down the road
has a different factory. Right, right. Obviously, every beach in L. A has an accompanying
smokestack. The terroir from the smokestack. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, my God. So ridiculous. So, so they're going around the beach
and one of the things they do is Angelo basically grabs,
you know, catches guys smoking weed under their blanket and grabs his hair and snips
off a little bit of it. Utah tells a guy that he's got.
You got a big sucker going right into your ear and goes to
grab it and pulls his hair out. So that's very funny. And then Utah's trying
to surf in this area as well, because he can't just be going around pulling.
Well, no, they. They though. No, no, no, that. That's the surfing is when they
go back and they find the match. So they figure out which is right.
Then he's like, well, now I got to scope this beach out. I got to
figure out who surfs here, who the regulars are, who the locals are that are.
That are using this break. And so he goes out to surf and he is
not welcome. He is, he is. He kind of steals a wave from somebody maybe,
like, you know, there's definitely a conflict, like right there in the water. He gets
punched in the water, which I feel like, like, you know, the way that people
look. I've never gotten in like a bar fight in My life. I don't.
Don't know about you. You don't seem like the type, but, you know, I've never
gotten in a bar fight, but I know people who have, and I know of
people who have, like, gotten into fights, punch somebody and they just fall wrong
and, like, hit their heads and, like, die. And now you've gotten into, like,
you were angry at someone, you just wanted to throw a punch, and you've,
like, killed someone, and it's at least manslaughter. Right. I think punching
someone who is in the ocean would be right in that alley, because this.
If they pass out for even five seconds, right. Their lungs are now full of
salt water. Like, this is not good. So. Yeah. But this guy, whoever this is,
I don't remember which exact of these bull. You know, I think it was Bunker.
Yeah. We're about to meet Bunker. You know, punches him right there in
the water, and it makes it clear he is not welcome to surf there.
Yeah. And. And, you know, going back to our previous or two movies,
previous, the River Wild, there was a scene where one
of the characters was saving somebody from drowning. Right. And he had to punch him
to get him to stop struggling and pulling. So we have good punches and bad
punches, good water punches and bad. That's true. No, no, I think.
I think there might have been a life vest involved in the River Wild.
And there's definitely no undertow. So I think even though there's. There's a river current
you got to deal with, at least you know where it's going, so that's a
little. Little smarter. Yeah. So, yeah. So Utah gets punched by
this guy. The guy's very pissed, like, basically, get the hell out of here.
Cuts his little thing that attaches his weather to his surfboard,
so he has to go swim and get it. And then afterwards, Utah's, you know,
taking way too long of a shower. And another. Another good
scene is always where there's a character taking a shower, and then someone approaches
them and just turns the. Water right on them. It's like, what's going on?
So he looks around, and he sees one of these individuals looking
pretty big and intimidating, and he notices there's like
three or four of these guys around him, and he goes, okay, I get it.
This is the part where you tell me all about how locals rule
and yuppie insects like me shouldn't be surfing your break.
And then they say, and then Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
With the worst haircut he's ever had. And he's had some bad ones. It's real
bad. He is. He is a bad haircut. All time champion. And he's
really doing it in this one. And I love the way he says,
that would be a waste of time. Right? Yeah.
I do feel like real quickly on Anthony Kiedis hair, I do feel like if
you were to line up, you know, worst haircuts of any celebrity of all time,
sort of like Steph Curry and seasons leading in, you know, most threes in a
season where he feels like four of the top six spots, that's Kiedis. He's the
Steph Curry of bad hair. Kiedis has got the belt most years. Exactly. Right.
So for sure. But yeah, so basically, these guys, they beat the hell out of.
Out of Utah. Beat him up real bad.
Papas who has been watching his back, but. But he couldn't see him during
this, does sort of eventually show up, but before that, Bodhi shows up.
And so, you know, Bodhi is able to sort of like, you know, try to
talk these guys down, but they don't want to hear it. So Bodhi and Utah
together beat up these other four, you know,
idiots. Basically, we find out later they're Nazis, according to Bodhi. Right. All right.
I'm not sure we saw any actual. We didn't see much Nazi stuff,
but I don't know. You got to pile bad characteristics onto these guys. I guess
there wasn't a lot of ethos on display, but, you know, like, it's okay.
Like, they're not good dudes, they're bad dudes. And so,
you know, Bodhi's able to rescue Utah, which, you know, obviously endears Bodhi to
Utah. But I was a little surprised that our relatively sharp guy,
Utah, did not for a moment think about, oh, hey, Bodhi surfs
here too, right? Like, if Bodhi surfs this break as well.
Oh, that's an interesting. Yeah. You know, think he's immediately thinks, well, these guys
are bad guys. Clearly, these are my bad guys. Yep. These are my bank robbers.
Yep. And. But Bodhi. Bodhi was telling him about the guys as they're walking
away. Right. And kind of doing the debrief and who are those guys? And Bodhi's
telling him that they're Nazis, whatever. And he's like, they're into some real wild.
And then Utah says something like, oh, what illegal stuff?
And then Bod was very cool. And just like, I don't know, man. Like,
his dismissal of that was very smart of a way. Like,
it's like, yeah, a. Still keeping a little distance because he doesn't fully
know Utah yet. But also just like, dude, I'm not gonna. I'm not
getting into this. Stitches. Yeah. Like so. Yeah.
So Utah goes back to Papas and says, hey, man, we got these guys.
They're able to follow them, basically. They're. They're. They're driving
like idiots down. Down the Pacific coast highway, swerving in and out of traffic.
Yeah. So they're able to find out where they live. And the. The FBI agents
who don't like Papas and Utah have to come and relieve them for stakeout duty
because. Well, I don't know if this is why. There's probably just their time,
but Utah's got a party to go to. Yeah. Right. And so Bode has invited
Utah to a party the night before he raids his supposed ex president
bank robbers. I mean, this seems like not the best choice of
a way to spend the late hours of your evening. But also there's a girl
involved. So. Yeah, he's got it. I mean, at least tie a curfew to that
or something. Right. When the. When the surfers,
the Nazi surfers, Anthony Kiedis crew was driving away, it was really funny.
They're all hanging out of the vehicle. They're terrorizing everybody on
the road. It reminded me a lot of the. In Harold and Kumar
Go to White Castle. The extreme assholes. The guys that lived in his apartment who
just. Everything they do has to be the worst. So even when they pulled up
to their own house, they just drove onto the lawn of it. They're like,
ah, fuck my own house. What? Funny enough, it actually made me think a little
more of Zoolander's roommates in that movie. And the way they were partying at the
gas station, they're just like, whoa, go so crazy. Obviously very different vibes off
of those guys. Off of. Although piggybacking off that though.
The next thing that they show. So they show the bad
guy house and then Utah is going to his party. And as they're
establishing that we're going to do some night serving, we're going to have a bonfire.
The way that they start the bonfire is he takes a bottle of lighter
fluid sideways and stabs it with a bowie knife and just throws
it on the fire. So very Zoolander. Very. Because you could have just unscrewed the
cap, pal. Really could have. Really strange. This is.
I need to come up with an official name,
but it's like the guy washing his fist corollary from Toy
soldiers. Just. What can we do to make this just a little bit more extreme?
Right. We need this person to appear tougher or more dangerous or,
you know, more off the. Off the chain kind of,
you know, wild card kind of person. And so we're going to have them do
something patently ridiculous that also serves no purpose other than to show that.
He has a knife. He's reckless, he's. Why wouldn't you do it this way?
Of course. Absolutely. Yeah. I also was
like, at this point. So they. They decide, you know, they're going to take Utah
out surfing at night. They do the bonfire, which I think is. Makes a lot
of sense that way, you know where the shore is. I think it's probably pretty
disorienting. I was thinking surfing at night must be one of the most dangerous things
you can do. Right. I wouldn't. It's all fun and games
till one piece of seaweed touches your leg.
Yeah. It's. It seems like a bad idea. But they have fun. They go out
and they surf at night. He and Tyler hook up and actually end up sleeping
together on the beach all night long. Which sounds horrifying. I look like real
quick. I love the ocean. Yeah. And I love the
coast. Like, I love coastal communities. My wife and I are big fans of the
Monterey Peninsula. We go down, like, Pacific Grove, Monterey, Carmel, as often as we can.
It's a great area and it's beautiful and I love boats in the ocean.
Whatever. And I. I hate the beach, man. I can't. I hate sand.
I don't ever want it anywhere near me. The idea of sleeping on a beach
is like, that is. I'm noped out of this whole thing.
I'm quitting the FBI at that point. Yeah. I can't do it. So I.
Anyway. How about having sex on the beach? I mean, even imagine. It's just.
It's very risky, man. Lord. The amount of. Just friction. Yeah.
There's a lot of. Yeah. A lot of possibilities. Good kind of friction.
No, no, no, no. The exfoliating type of friction. Exactly.
Yeah. Not okay. But this is a great.
Because it's kind of a. Okay. They hook up and it's a downtime, but then
we're right back into it because he wakes up, oh, I'm getting late. I gotta
go to work. And he's there, and it's not like I gotta get to the
police station because we're staging before we go to raid. He gets there, and the
guys are already on the side of the house with their guns. Drawn with their
FBI windbreakers and like. Everything and ready to rip those flaps.
And then Papas is ready to go to the front and kind of like he's
pretending like his dog is missing or something. Right? But I love it when they
start. I think Utah is the one who peeks in one of the windows.
And I just noticed that one of the guys, I can't remember any of their
names, don't care. It's not Anthony Kiedis is having beerios for breakfast, which is the
breakfast of champions. As all college students know. I have absolutely had bereos
for breakfast and totally forgot that that was in this movie. But yeah, it kind
of only works with Cheerios. Yeah, it's gotta be the plain regular. You can't have
like sugar honey nut Berrios. You can't go Frosted Flakes. Maybe Rice Krispies.
Plain Rice Krispies would work, I suppose, but it was always Berios. Yeah,
Papa's brilliant way of just kind of smoothly
talking to people as he moves through the neighborhood is to pretend that his dog
is lost. Right? But what he says is, have you seen my dog? It's like
a little dog. There's no description of the dog at all. He's like,
hey, have you seen my dog? Is it a little dog? And the first guy
that he walks by is this Jamaican looking dude who's wearing kind
of like a cross color style T shirt. He's like, you see my dog?
He walks by and the guy's like naman. And like
I'm a sucker for. For a brief Jamaican appearance. It really
made my day. Oh, maybe we'll have to watch half bake together at some point
later on. A lot of Mars there. So the agents, they're queued up outside the
house. They're waiting for the raid. We got this guy pouring the beer on his
Cheerios and Utah is looking through the side window. Okay,
this is cool. It's a good place to be. And then the neighbor starts up
the world's smallest lawnmower. That sounds like a 747.
So loud. And it's one of those little. It almost looks like one of those
push mowers. Doesn't even have an engine on it. It's just sort of the little
spirally blades, right? Very strange, but very loud. Very loud.
There's a lot of good chaos here. So Angelo's basically
approaching the guys in the house. I don't know what it is that tip them
off necessarily. I mean, they're probably living a very paranoid lifestyle anyway.
But they're just like, something's wrong. I think they're all on meth. Like.
Yeah, legit. Apparently. They've got meth in the house. They're on meth. They're meth dealers,
we learn later. So they're probably, you know, on their own stash.
And somebody has come to the door. Like, that's all that matters. Right. If you're
talking about, like, a meth house, somebody knocked. Yeah. Everybody, you know,
either knows when and how to go in and out of that house on their
own, does not just knock at the door. Yeah, right. And one of their.
There's a couple of ladies there with them, and one of them answers the door
and is, like, talking to Papa, trying to get him to go away. And he's
being persistent. And maybe it's that persistence that sort of, like, really starts freaking him
out. Like the long enough alarm start to get rid of things. Yeah. Because if
it really was a person's looking for their dog and say, no, no dog here,
that person would have moved on right to the next house to look for their.
He's like, no, no, I haven't described it yet to you. It is a little
dog. As a little dog. But yeah, this is like one
of the more kind of brutal raid scenes in. In any
movie. This really was, like. I kind of forgot, like, how.
How violent this. This next sequence is and all the different stuff that
happens. And Utah just getting absolutely.
Just clocked by a fully nude woman who just got out of the shower and
would you would assume be slipping all over the tile floor herself. But no,
she is able to just wail on him and, like, slam him into a mirror
and everything. It was just like, man. I think they have those little grip tape
stickers all over the whole bathroom, not just in the shower. Sex wax. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah. I mean, how much of that was he just, like, letting happen?
After a while, if I'm gonna go out, I may as well let her hop
on top of me and start punching my face. I've had worse. Like,
so a couple of these guys, at this point, they get killed, right?
I think one of the guys. Two of the guys get shot and
it's just chaos. One is, like, takes the woman from the front door as a
hostage, even though she was kind of part of their crew. And I got your
man style situation, right. Papas doesn't have any hesitation
and just great shot. Blast that guy right through the eyes. Right between the eyes.
Yeah. And then we've got Utah inside there and he's fighting one of
the bigger dudes. Who I think his name Warchild. A bigger, like, Samoan. Yeah.
He looks like he's like Pacific Islander kind of guy. Big, big guy. And they
get into this great fight that takes them outside to the lawn. Through the
window? Yes, through the window. Warchild pulls a knife.
Yeah. And Utah is just trying. How am I going to get this knife from
him? And he's able to hold the knife right up to the blades of the
mower and have it like, Right. Which taken out of his hand. Take a look
for a second here. I remember mowing the lawn a lot when I was a
kid. My dad always had an electric mower, so we had like the long extension
cord that had to travel. But I understand the concept of using a gas powered
mower as well. Didn't they all work in a way where you had to hold
something to keep them running? Oh, yeah. Standard thing. Now,
I guess this was a really old mower, but every mower I used. No,
you hold the handle right. And if you let go of the handle, it stops.
Right. So was the homeowner standing there watching them to the two of them fight,
holding the thing going and it's like not letting go. As Utah is getting
pushed closer and closer to these blades, there's a. Seems like a bad idea.
There's a deleted scene where both of his hands get chopped off at the wrist.
So they're still technically gripping onto their rigor mortis.
But great intensity in this scene. I mean, really well done.
First you think, okay, well, the knife is gone, there goes the threat. And then
the fight kind of flips lips. And Warchild is pushing Utah's face closer and closer
towards the blade, which I've seen this a bunch of times,
but it. It's a very tense. Yeah. And it does beg the question if.
If Warchild had been successful in kind of messing him up at all with
that blade, would Keanu Reeves still have one most desirable male at the 1992 MTV
Movie Awards? Might have gone to Swayze. Might have, yeah. Might have. Something Patrick should
have talked to his agent about. So he's able to. There the
fight goes. But pop it in one of the best precision shots I've ever
seen. Shoots the motor in the perfect place and the blade stops.
And they're able to dispatch this guy and get themselves safe.
Yeah, really great scene. And if that's not enough
for, like, how. God, this really went fucking wrong because we were
trying to bust in on these guys. We weren't here for a shootout. We really
messed up, but at least we got the bad guys. And then we have Tom
Sizemore's character, who was actually the guy pouring beer on his Cheerios.
Oh, was it really? Oh, okay. I wasn't sure. So he's been, he's basically telling
them, I've been undercover going after these drug dealers and you
guys just fucked up three months of my work. And he's talking a lot about,
I don't go to my house at night, my wife makes me stay at the
Ramada. You think I like this haircut? You think I like these clothes?
It's a very Sizemore role. It's uncredited, by the way, if you actually watch the
credits. Sizemore did not receive a credit initially for this. It was only his third
screen appearance in his career. So. Yeah, so very, very good. I mean, he does
have a lot of. He was a very, you know, troubled person, but incredibly
good. Very. Yeah. So I love that extra wrinkle. They didn't
have to add that complication to it. Right. But because the department would have probably
been kind of against them anyway just for kind of, hey, now we got two
people dead and a lot of paperwork. But now you also up
this bigger operation. And it's another indication, this is something I think, that doesn't fly
as well in movies maybe made now or more recently where,
you know, inter agency communications are much better
today post sort of creation of the Department of Homeland security and post 9 11.
But in the 90s, this was a legit thing, like agencies didn't talk to each
other. The FBI had no idea what the DEA was doing. The DEA had no
idea what the ATF was doing. Even though these are all federal law enforcement agencies,
they all answer to the attorney General and yet none of them had
any communication whatsoever. And so it's totally legit that this would have happened, that there
would have been a dea, you know, thing. Now I think there's a lot more.
I think an ad, you know, the, the advancement of communication technology helps, but also
just they're being told, you need to tell each other what you're all doing,
you know, to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen. But it happened a
lot back then. I mean, I don't know about a lot happened a lot in
movies. It still has to be very compartmentalized or it's not going to work properly.
Right. I mean, that's. Especially when you're dealing with undercover and you're dealing with,
you know, anybody in kind of, of any deep, deep cover situation. You do need
to limit the number of people who know. And that includes other agencies. So.
And then. And of course, there's the additional issue of, like, well, what if it
was lapd? Are you really going to tell all the municipal agencies and state agency
what. But really, you know, these are two federal groups. They probably should have been
talking to each other. Yeah. Yeah. So now Utah is kind of back hanging
with the surfers. Right. They're. They're surfing. One of the things he
notices as the surfers are out in the way. He's out in the water,
and then he's back on the beach watching them. Them. And he sees one of
the guys kind of mooning. Right. The other guys, and realizes, like, I've seen before.
Yeah, I know that butt crack. It's really.
I. Yeah. How. Like, I get that we need.
He needs to figure. He needs to do something to figure out who they are
before they can figure out who he is. I mean, that's just the plot needs
that. Yeah. But this is how really, like, it feels kind of cheap. It feels,
like, unearned. You know, it's just kind of like, oh, he sees a surfer mooning
other surfers and realizes, oh, that's the bank robber that mooned the security
camera. Yeah. Or maybe it just triggers in his head, like, okay,
these are the kind of guys. This is what these guys do. Maybe. But he's
pretty confident that he's got this because they go. They go quickly to, like he
says, he follows them. And they end up, you know, what is it? Roach and
Bodhi end up staking out a place. They go into a bank, but then they
come back telling Pappas this. And so, you know, he's pretty convinced right away,
no, they're casing this joint. Now, maybe it's the combination of seeing the
mooning, then following them and seeing them go to this bank that, you know,
he doesn't have a good reason to think they have a reason to be at.
And they're there for 20 minutes. Yeah. That's a long time to spend in a
bank, I guess, unless the lines are super long. So he's pretty confident that
he's got his guys. Yeah. Oh, one thing where he's talking to Papas
about what he's discovered about them. And when he's described,
I think he's running through, you know, Bodhi's schedule, the consistencies in his schedule.
I don't know if you picked up on this. He said has, and he eats
lunch at Patrick's Roadhouse. Oh, no, I Didn't. I mean, I heard it, but,
yeah, I didn't. I didn't. It didn't click to me. Roadhouse. Yeah, I love that.
That they. That they put that in reference to Patrick Swayze's
Roadhouse. They're staking out the bank, right? They're trying
to watch the bank because they're not. They're not looking to, like, try to follow
the guys around where they're just like, let's just. We know they're gonna hit this
bank. Let's just be there when they do it. But Papas is getting hungry.
This is. We've already talked about it. This is the famous, you know, like.
Like, place around the corner. Does the best meatball subs in the city.
I want you to go get two of them. You talk, give me two,
you know, the whole deal. So he goes around the corner to go get subs.
Meanwhile, he rolls up a car full of suited
Ex Presidents running into the bank. That Papas is, like, reading the comics or something.
He doesn't see right behind Utah while he's ordering, right? Getting these balls,
getting Papas is two meatball subs. Utah does not fully respect Papas
because he's not getting a meatball sub as well. Tuna on wheat, which is just.
Just fits with his character. That's an early 90s. That's what you'd
be like. Oh, what, do you also jog? What kind of a health nut are
you? Tuna fish. That is very much in the line of, I take the chicken
or they take the skin off my chicken, sir. For sure. For sure.
But the Ex Presidents have entered this bank behind them, where they're like,
what the. Did you see this? I didn't see this. Papas was
reading Calvin and Hobbs. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, this Calvin
and Hobbs is funny. The guy comes up to the window before he sends him
to the sandwich shop selling oranges. And the way that Papas gets him to go
away, he says, we got lots. We got lots. Lots of oranges. A dollar for
a whole bag of oranges Seems pretty good to me, man. I don't know.
But, yeah, so now they. They. The bank robbers
are in the bank, but they're not 100% sure until they come out, right?
This is going on. And. And so now, you know, Utah knows he's right,
right? They stake this place out. Then this was the one hit. Clearly, he's got
the right guys. Yeah. And he yells out, stop, FBI, freeze, whatever, synaptic.
Now, this was the Thing that first of all, this next sequence is incredible.
There's a great car chase through the streets of la,
but they end up having to ditch the car. And they take the time,
kind of, to the chagrin of Bod's compatriots, like they're
pissed at him, he's taking so much time, but he full on torches the car
like he doesn't want to leave any evidence behind. He fills it with gasoline,
torches it with the lighter with gasoline stuff. So that's really smart just showing us
again that Bode really kind of does for the most part have his ducks in
a row and, you know, but now there's a foot chase.
So now like, you know, Papas is trying to chase the guys in the car,
but he loses them. So Utah has to get out and chase Bodhi.
And the whole chase sequence is fantastic. So good in and out of houses and
backyards. They end up in the LA river. At which point, of course,
that's when Utah's old football injury comes back to haunt him and
he kind of busts his knee, you know, going after Bodhi.
And he has a chance, he has a chance to shoot Bodhi. I mean,
he has a chance to shoot. Well, I guess he doesn't for sure yet know
that's Bodhi. It's one of the guys. Right? Right. It's Reagan. We know Reagan is
Bodhi, but like he knows this is one of the guys and he has a
chance and he doesn't do it well. When Utah first identified himself as
an FBI agent, when he saw them coming out of the bank, he had his
gun pointed at them and it looked like one of the passengers. The Nixon had
his a good shot at Utah and Reagan. Bodey basically
said hold off. Right? Right. And I think that maybe
was some recognition between both of them and Utah maybe was returning the
favor at the end of that chase scene. That chase scene was great.
It's just unexpected around every turn and I love them just going into these
people's houses. Bodhi runs through a
slider and locks it very smartly. After he runs through without
missing a beat, Utah just in full sprint, picks something heavy up off
the patio and smashes it through the glass to keep chasing him.
So great. The visual of Reagan torching that car at the gas station,
making his own flamethrower was just incredible. So just really,
really like high end action stuff in this movie. Really, really fantastic.
And this is a part where I wrote down in my notes here, I want
to mention. So. So this is the the situation we're in now, because now the
Bodhi gets away. You know, Utah's got to go back. And Papa, first of all,
doesn't believe that, that, that Utah missed. Utah is again, 100% shot.
And, and so, you know, he fired off wooden cutouts. Yeah, he fired.
Ryan. Second, he fired off, like six rounds into the air, basically. So the idea
that he wouldn't hit him at all, you know, Papa doesn't buy it. But here's
what I. Here's what I wrote down. What we know at this point in the
movie, which is Utah knows that they are the ex Presidents.
The ex Presidents know that Utah is a Fed.
He knows that. That they know he's a Fed. Yeah.
Okay. But the ex Presidents don't know that
Utah knows that they are the ex Presidents and
they don't know that he knows that they know he's a fed.
Do you see what I'm saying? So I feel like there's a point here where
the ex Presidents, the gang, Bodie and the gang, still believe they have an information
advantage over Utah. Yeah, right.
And that. And that, I think, is an important thing to understand when we get
to the next scene because. Because Utah really plays along with this whole parachuting.
We're going to go for a jump thing in a way that doesn't
necessarily make sense unless you consider that. And you know
that he still has an information advantage over them. He knows things that they don't
know, which is really. He knows how much he knows. Right. And then
they don't know as much as he knows. It's surprising. I mean, Johnny Utah is
just kind of a. He's an extreme athlete, whether he likes it or not,
even as a football player. I mean, he goes for the adrenaline. And it's
very surprising, even in the situation where you're playing 5D chess to
do something where the downside is I'm jumping out of a plane that maybe
my parachute doesn't open with a backpack on, like. Yeah, backpack full of wrenches.
Exactly. So, yeah, I mean, big, big balls.
But Utah takes big risks and he's really intent on taking
these guys down. Yeah. Yeah. So. So they. They basically
come early morning, they come get him. Oh, actually, no, wait, this. Is this where
Tyler realizes. Okay, so he's. He's Tyler.
Something like, I want to confess something to you. But then she's just kind of
like, shut up and kissed me. And he's like, well, okay. Because I think she
thinks he's going to say I love you. Yeah. And so she's like, oh,
no, no, not yet. Or, like, doesn't have to be right now or something like
that. But he's like, I need to tell you I'm an FBI agent is really
what he's gearing himself up for. But then they wake up in the morning.
Is that when she. Yeah, so she. He's sleeping in the bed
at her place or whatever. It's his place. Okay. And, yeah, so she finds
his badge and gun and she tells him by just shooting the pillow next to
him. Great feather explosion. One of the better feather explosions we've seen.
And yeah, she like, you lied to me.
You're a piece of shit. I don't want anything to do with you. Specifically confronts
him about, like, are your parents even dead? And he admits, yeah, they live in
Ohio. They live in Columbus or whatever. Right? Like, yeah, so crazy.
So now he's gonna go with the boys. And he also
maybe doesn't necessarily know what Tyler is communicating it to
BoD because even though it's kind of. Him and Tyler are close, he. She has
an attachment to him that he can't fully be confident that she wouldn't sell him
out to Bod. That's true. And with all this tension,
we have the surfers all pick up Utah to go on the skydiving trip.
And it's a great. I didn't time it, but it's probably a little longer than
you'd actually. Free fall. Yeah. I hope you get eight minutes of free fall
in a normal skydive. Obviously depends on exactly how high they get to start with,
you know. But, yeah, it is a long parachute
jump, but it's very exciting. Again, another example of the fantastic cinematography of the
film. I don't know where the hell they are, what body of water. Beautiful.
Everything that you're seeing is just incredible. Like Mammoth Lakes or something. I don't
know how far from LA they've gone, but it's, you know, it's really beautiful stuff.
But. But, yeah, now they. They. They kind of put him through this and
it's safe, and they give him an actual parachute. There's even a great sequence on
the plane, like, oh, you should take this bag. No, take this, whatever. Because at
first I was like. Like, oh, man, he's going to be in a. In a
Man in Black. Vizzini, which cup of wine do I take? Thing.
But there's so much switching that you go, this must not be a trick,
because there wouldn't. They wouldn't even be able to keep track of that many Switches
to try to figure out which is the right backpack. Yeah, parachute. And it's not
going to end with someone saying, well, I've spent 20 years building up a tolerance
to falling out of a plane without a parachute, so it doesn't matter which one
I have. That is a good point. This is not I. Okay. Powder we're talking
about. Yeah, so. So, yeah, so now they do the jump Utah.
That's great. But then Bod's like, hey, I got something to show you, man.
You got, you got to come check this out. After they start, you know,
they're packing the parachutes back up. And on the smallest screen I've
ever seen on anything ever. Yeah, a 2 inch
screen on top of like some kind of big transmitter device. I guess we receive,
I'm guessing a satellite image. I didn't know if it was like a VHS tape
or like a podcast. Or something, but it's hard to tell. But, but we see
that, that Tyler has been kidnapped and she is being held by.
What's the name of Bodhi's body here? Rosie.
Rosie, who I think is played by the
actor Lee Turgison. Interesting. Who's in Wayne's
World. I believe he's one of the friends in Wayne's World. He was in
HBO's Oz and I think he also played Chet on the TV series Weird Science.
Oh, my gosh. That's interesting. Yeah. But he has, he has basically her
at knifepoint. I believe he is actually the one we saw cut open the canister
of lighter fluid. Bonfire. That's him. So we know he knows how to use the
knife. Yeah, exactly. So he's there, she's there, and bodies, like, if you don't.
If I don't show up where they are when I need to show up where
they are, she dies. Yeah. So you better help me. And we're going to do
one more score basically before they get out of town for the summer or for
the, you know, at the end of the summer. Bodhi has a really chilling
line there. Something about I hate violence.
That's why I have Rosie. Like, I don't like doing this stuff,
but he loves this kind of stuff and he's not gonna stop. It's just like
he's so calm about it and he's saying it matter of factly and being like.
Yeah, like, I'm not a violent guy myself, but I'm glad I have this very
violent guy working for me. Yeah, it's an interesting, you know, the way he's able
to absolve himself of the guilt that would come with that kind of violence.
Makes him far more sociopathic than anybody who's just
a violent person. Right. Really frustrating, which is great. And you know,
let's go down the list. This is great writing, this is great acting by Patrick
Swayze. This is fantastic direction by Katherine Bigelow. As usual throughout this film.
It's wonderful stuff and it really makes Bodhi a really kind of nasty villain.
So they go to rob one more bank. At first everything's normal.
They're obviously not going to give Utah ammo in his shotgun, but they need him
to hold a weapon so he looks intimidating and he also doesn't get a mask.
They don't have a Bush or a Ford or any other president to hand him
him. So he's got to go in face to the cameras which is going to
be a big problem for Mr. Utah. But you know, they go in
and then for some reason, and I don't fully understand this other than I guess
he's trying to make a bigger score. But Bodhi sends a couple guys into the
vault, which they've never done before. Yeah. And he's like, no, get the keys,
go into the vault and get it. And between that situation
where you know, they're taking more time than usual, they're getting greedier
than usual. There's this breakdown of their very well polished,
well timed system. We have among the patrons an off duty
police officer who is armed, who thinks he is John McClain and he's about
to take down, you know, the terrorists. Yeah. And I just want to say
if there are any off duty police officers listening to the podcast, it's okay to
clock out, it's okay to be off work. I mean maybe you stop a robbery
but you know you're only going to make it worse in that situation. The security
guard is begging him not to do anything. Dude, this is a bank. Like they,
it's insured. All these people will get their money. You need to stop, like don't
do anything stupid. And like how many people end up dead? Like five? Like two
of the robbers. Like two of the bank robbers end up getting shot. I believe
or no, just maybe just one. But somebody definitely dies. Security guard, the cop.
Security guard, the cop. It's real bad. Like yeah, it's really bad. And I think
with the vault thing, Bod might have just realized that this is
it for me. Cuz they know who the I am. That's a good point.
And you can't come back next summer and do more. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to
have to start robbing, you know, Australian dogs and I'm not good at the currency
conversion. Plus there's no fdic. It's not as he can't
absolve himself of the guilt as much. I don't know if Australian banks are insured
in the same way, but. Yeah, but Roach, Bodhi's buddy Roach takes a slug to
the chest. It appears right high up, kind of a very Louis Gossett
Jr. And Toy Soldier's final gunshot wound area. Kills a bad guy for a good
guy. It goes all the way through. Exactly right. But Roach doesn't die. That's the
point. He does. I don't know, somebody shows up and. Or somebody keeps going and
is okay for a while, but. Yeah, that's right. I guess Roach does die there
on the scene. It's hard to keep track of how many people everybody gets shot.
Some of them die, some of them don't. It gets real hairy at the end
here. And then if, as an actor, if you're wearing a bulletproof vest versus not,
you react the exact same way to getting shot. So it's hard after the fact
to be like, oh, okay, he must have had a vest on or did he
get missed or whatever. Yeah. When they're leaving. So this
whole chaos has gone down and they're just kind of like, what the fuck,
man? This isn't how it was supposed to go. Utah gets knocked out, right?
And so basically he's coming to as the cops are arriving and
he's in trouble, man. Well, and it's a combination of LAPD and his own FBI
bank robbery crew, right? The guys that don't like him and Papas and,
and our John C. McGinley boss guy who is just pissed
and I believe Papas gives him one. Right, right. Right in the kisser. Gets him
out. Out. Yeah. Papas punches him out, which is good, and nobody stops
him. He basically says, oh, you guys aren't taking my partner, who I clearly have
loyalty to over the department and my oath to the Constitution or whatever,
so why don't I drive him to the police station in handcuffs after I
punched you out and nobody do anything, right? But of course,
Papas doesn't take him to the police station. They're headed off to the airfield because.
Obviously, you know, Utah knows where they're heading,
right. Utah heard, overheard, they say like Santa Monica Airfield or whatever it was.
So they're going there to, to, to get them. And yeah, sure enough,
they find them and there is, you know, an Initial sort
of argument, but then an actual gun battle ensues here and Papas
takes a couple shots. And I think that's it for Angelo Papas. Yeah. We don't
get, we don't get any indication that he survives those gunshot. Gunshots to the back.
No. But the final remaining member of Bod's crew also takes
a shot but. But is alive enough to keep going, sort of. He gets put
into the plane to. Get on the plane. Yeah. And Utah actually stops Papas
from a clear shot at Bode. It looks like Papas had a shot at killing
Bodhi and Utah stopped him from it. And then, you know, now Papas gets
killed not by Bodhi, but as a result of not stopping the whole thing.
And it's lots of conflicting loyalty in this movie. Lots of people who.
It's like, wait, which, which, who are you working with? With, who are you with?
Utah's reaction when Papas got shot.
It was a very good no.
Yeah. Yes, it was, it was a little bit. My family enjoyed that when
we were. Watching a little, a little Ted Theodore Logan at that point. But that's
okay. You can't fully take the Ted Theodore out of
there. Yeah. So now Bodhi
takes Utah with him. They get on the plane, the plane takes off.
The pilot doesn't want to do it, but he's basically get the hell on there
and let's go, you know, kind of. So they're headed to Mexico ago, which is
apparently where Rosie is holding Tyler and they are going
to jump out to go on their way and. And he's going to
leave Utah on the plane this way. Utah couldn't, you know, call for backup or
get anybody to follow them, whatever. He comes with them. And he's stuck on that
plane until the pilot goes to land again. Right is the idea. And so basically
Bodhi pushes his, his dying buddy out the plane with the parachute.
But he does. I don't think he makes it to the ground. And then he
goes out and Utah's got a choice to make. He's got a decision to make.
How is he going to solve this problem? Yeah. And my thought, if it were
me, of course, he's taken one parachute jump in his entire life.
It was that morning. Clearly he is able
to. And I would be too. I totally get this. Totally able to maneuver in
freefall to line up with and catch someone who has a
15 second head start. Yeah. Like he's able
to do it if you, if you really tuck your arms into your body or
maybe like, like. A Superman pose, you know, like it. Was an absurd reaction,
but I think at that point Utah was like, like it's this or nothing.
And did they kill. Had they killed the pilot? No, no, no,
no, no. The pilot. The pilot just flies off. Okay. I thought that for some
reason. No, I'm pretty sure. Cuz the plane keeps going. So yeah, head back
to Santa Monica, like. And the thing is, Utah could have gone back, but he
knows he's never going to find Bo. If that happens, they're gone. And potentially
never see Tyler again. Who knows how that would go, right? Yeah, but yeah.
So great, great action though. Like really exciting and
just I don't know if the jumping out without a parachute with the plan of
catching another guy had been done to this point. In movies,
I think this was pretty much this was it like. Yeah. Oh no. You know
what? I feel like there had to be a moment in Moonraker where James Bond
did that. I feel like there was something very similar. He like chases Jaws out
the. Out the. But I don't know if maybe they're both wearing shoots, but they.
They have to start. There was definitely a bit of parachuting that happens in at
least one or two. Fighting. Yeah, A little bit of air fighting. So. So there's
that. But this was a very impressive version of this. And so basically
they end up landing. Utah hurts his knee again right in the
landing. Poor neat dude. I was. It was killing me watching this movie. So he
lets Bod go. Rosie and Tyler are driving up and, you know, Bod's running
off. He get. He and Rosie grab the money that was with. I can't.
I can't remember which guy was that died, but whatever. The guy who fell out
the plane, it was dead. And Tyler rushes up to Utah and hugs him.
And we sort of fade to black for a moment as Rosie
and Bodhi are driving off into the Mexican sunset. Yeah.
And Rosie and Bodhi seem probably
more triumphant than they should feel after. It's like, hey, where are the other four
guys? They got up. They don't have as much money as they thought they'd have.
Almost. Their buddies are dead. They can't go back to the States ever.
Yeah, all this stuff. And so we get a little, you know, we get a
fade crossfade and suddenly it's pouring rain again. Yeah.
And it is made clear both by the voice on the radio and the side
of the car that he's driving on that we're in Australia. Yep. And this hearkens
back to one of the first that first party that Utah went to at Bodhi's
house where he talks about bodhi does a 50 year storm and how at Bell's
beach the waves will be higher next year than they have ever been anywhere
on the planet. This is going to be the most incredible, you know, 50 foot
waves or whatever. And so that's where Utah goes because famously the
Federal Bureau investigation absolutely allowed to operate on foreign
soil. That's definitely a thing that happens. It's not at all. I don't know why
the hell an FBI agent is in Australia. I can't tell here at this point
if Utah is just acting on his own or if he's acting officially.
I gotta figure Papas being dead, the bank
robbery, not the robbers, not getting caught, all this stuff. Like if he went back
to the, to the States, he would have gotten busted, he would be in jail.
Utah would be. Yeah, I don't, I don't get why they let him stay on
the case either. Because even if he was like, well, I really want to do
this, my partner got killed, they'd be like, yeah, that's why you're not doing it.
And he wouldn't physically go to Australia either. They might work with local authorities in
Australia, but like he's not allowed to just go. So he go. But he goes,
he goes to Bell's beach. Sure enough, who's standing out there on the beach?
His boat. Utah, you know, sort of very,
you know, poetically drops his Reagan mask at his feet.
I'm not sure where he got that from. I guess it was. Did he take
it off of the bank? Maybe it was, you know, an evidence locker somewhere.
But there it is. There's a spirit store in Australia, but all the masks are
like John Curtin. It's like, wait, this is not. I need an Australian Prime Minister.
Yeah. So they start fighting in the surf, in the water. And this gave
me another sort of like flashback moment to, to Swayze in the river in Roadhouse,
ripping. Like there was a lot like in the shallow water fighting. And it felt
very much like that. But yeah, so.
And they come up, so they're struggling and scuffling for a while and
then all of a sudden you hear that great click sound of the handcuff.
And Bodhi looks. And Utah's handcuffed him to himself.
And we got a good. No, no,
no. Bodhi very upset by this.
And it just kind of showed that, that I don't know if
he ever believed that he could be caught or foiled
in this. It's almost like he felt like he was on some
kind of divinely inspired mission because he talked a lot throughout the movie about
just people waking up and humanity and the soul, like people without
any soul and all this stuff. Like there's part of him, I think, that believe
that he was really some kind of like healing type figure or
something like that. So very, very, very upset
there. And then he's able to talk with Utah a little
bit and it's amazing to me. So, yeah, so he talks to you. Tony's basically
like, you know, don't do this to me. Let me go out and surf that
wave. This is the only chance my entire life has been building to this.
Which I'm, you know, in my mind, if Utah was any good at being
an FBI agent, and I posit that he is indeed the worst FBI agent who's
ever existed in modern pop culture whatsoever, if he was
any good at be, at doing his job, he would have been like, yeah,
too bad. Bank robbing murderer. Like, you're coming to jail.
Like. So the Australian authorities are now pouring down onto the beach. They're coming to,
to come, you know, get Bodhi or whatever. And because again, they're taking orders
from Special Agent Johnny Utah for some reason. But, you know, basically, yeah,
Utah like takes off the handcuffs and lets Bodhi go out into the water to
surf these incredible 50 foot waves, knowing that it is a death
wish, that this is how Bodhi's gonna die. Because the Australians like, oh, you let
him go. We'll get him when he comes back, mate. And it's like he's not
coming back. And then not like one of your boomerangs. Right.
But it's. But then he throws his badge away.
So he's done being an FBI. He literally was an FBI agent for like
six months. Yeah, I don't, I don't get it. Yeah, I know.
It's big waste of a law school scholarship. There's that,
that football scholarship to law school boy. But this is what I kind of like.
To me, the movie is really fun and very fantastic up to this
scene in Australia. All this sort of epilogue that occurs in the rain in Australia
to me is like. I almost would have preferred if this movie ended with Rosie
and Bodhi just getting away. Yeah. And just end the movie there.
Utah's got, got Tyler again in my head canon
at that point. He never would have left Mexico. He would have just repaid.
He just would have like, let's start a lifetime here. Because if I go back
to la, they're gonna arrest me, right, for all the fuck ups I did and
all the people who died and shit. So, so, but no, we had to do
this like epilogue where he clearly still has enough sway with the bureau and
enough sort of authority to, you know, muster these Australian law
enforcement officers to come capture this guy, then deliberately let him out of custody
so that they can't capture him and then throw his FBI badge into the ocean.
Okay. Yeah, I think he,
he had a lot invested in his career that he just kind of
of allowed to slip through, but I don't know, maybe.
Very strange. Yeah, but I do, I, you know, I didn't think of it that
way. I was just kind of like, okay, well you got to end this somehow.
And there's not a sequel. So. Yeah, he's not a, he's not an FBI agent
anymore. And that, that's kind of it. Which is good that
again, we don't need him and Tyler getting married. We don't
need some kind of dumb post action sequence. And it just ends
with like, like, you know what? I don't need this anymore. Like I'm done.
Like my work is done here. But then, I don't know, what's he going to
do? He's going to surf and make meatball sandwiches. What are you going to do
as a famous former college athlete with a law degree? I mean, there's no career
choice. No, no, no options there. Go back and live with mom and dad in
Columbus. Good ending. And I like Bod's line. He's like,
what am I going to do? I'm not going to paddle out to New Zealand.
Right. It's like, you might try. But Utah,
you know, he has this level of respect for Bodhi throughout the movie. And I
think even though for all of Bodhi's actions,
he deserves, you know, the worst of punishment because of all the death and destruction
he's caused. There's something about his, I don't know, his soul or whatever,
for lack of a better term, that Utah respects and feels like should be respected
a little bit. Yeah. And just, or maybe Utah just, he got
the surfing bug and he realizes that, that for a surfer, for a lifelong
surfer, that is the way to go out. I guess that's true. Surfing's the source,
man. It'll change your life, that kid.
All right, well. What a movie. Yeah, it really, it really is an impressive movie.
Let, let, let's let's put our, our final thoughts down on wax here.
Nick, why don't you kind of, you know, wrap it up for me. What,
how do you rate this movie? What are your final thoughts about it? So it
had probably been maybe 10 years since I've seen it, but I've seen it a
bunch before and boy, it holds up. It looks beautiful. Like we,
like we talked about it doesn't look that 90s,
right. You know, 1991, but it looks good. The way we were talking
about the Fugitive is that none of the movie really puts you in
that era other than that's what, that's when it was filmed. Right. That's how people
were dressing and stuff like that. But yeah, but it doesn't feel old or dated.
Everything feels current in it. The performances are great, the character actors are great.
So many quotes from this movie that you really get a chuckle out of.
So there's the action, but there's a lot of laughs during this movie.
And yeah, Keanu Reeves can do it and his career has borne out that
he is, he was the right guy for this. And even though it's goofy and
people make fun of the way he talks and things like that, he is an
action star and he's a great action star and was and is.
And yeah, I love this movie. Kathryn Bigelow directing.
This was her first feature film. I'm not sure if it was her first.
It was definitely early on. It wasn't her first, but it was early in her
career which then went on. She made many, many more wonderful movies. Right, right.
So I love this movie and I would rate this movie a four and
a half out of five. I really. It holds up and there's not a lot
to, to pick on with this. Honestly, the watching experience is very
enjoyable and like I said, my wife and my 13
year old did not plan on hanging in to watch this movie with me.
And we put on the first 10 minutes and they were hooked and they loved
it. It. And there's a couple parts that weren't great for a 13 year old.
But you know, I was able to kind of like fast forward or look over
there. Exactly. You know, there's always that, oh, I. Think we have ice cream.
Yeah. But yeah, I very impressed.
Really, really loved it. How about you? So I definitely, definitely, really like this movie.
I think I held a higher place in
my memory of it than, than I have now a little bit. I think that,
you know, I hadn't seen it. It. I, like I said at the beginning,
I think I've seen the first half or the first hour a dozen times and
this, you know, in the rest of the movie you know, maybe two or three.
Like, it's just the way things worked out, the manner in which I would tend
to watch this movie or see it on the background somewhere. And I think that,
you know, the ending did kind of mess it up for me. I gotta be
honest. Like, I didn't love the way it ended. I don't really understand Utah's
motivations at the end. And maybe that's just on me. But it wasn't, you know,
really clear to me. Whatever that having been said, it's still a ton of fun.
It's incredibly fun movie. Like you said, performances are all fantastic. I think
this is actually one of Patrick Swayze's best acted roles.
I really think that he does a fantastic job in this and I
do really like it. But for me, it's more about a three and a half.
That's where I'm at on it. Which I think is. Is, you know, that's about
where I'm comfortable. Very good movie. Obviously, it's Point Break. It's not like we really
need to recommend Point Break to people. They know the movie. Word is on the
street is out about Point Break. That's right, people do know about it. They even
remade it in 2015. Seen. And I haven't seen that one. Never happens. Exactly.
So, yeah. So three and a half and a four and a half. That gives
an eight out of 10 for us, I think is perfectly reasonable. Very good score
for this movie. And yeah, that's that. So this was your pick and
so I think the next one is mine. What do we have coming up?
Steve, this is a lot of fun. So I have a belief in
me, in my core part of my being that 1984 was one of the
best years for movies. Movies. And in fact, I've got a quick list.
I'll tell you. The following films came out just between Memorial
Day and Labor Day of 1984. Okay.
Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom, Star Trek 3, the search for Spock,
Ghostbusters, Gremlins, Top Secret, the Karate Kid, Conan the
Destroyer, the Muppets Take Manhattan, the Neverending Story, Revenge of the Nerds, Purple Rain,
Cloak and Dagger, Red dawn, and the Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai all came came out
between Memorial Day and Labor Day of 1984.
And the same day the Muppets Take Manhattan came out, this movie came out.
So you and I, Nick, we're going to join Trailer
Park Living Alex Rogan as he is recruited by the Star League to defend
the frontier against Zur and the Codan Armada. When we watch the
Last Starfighter, the la. I've never seen this one. This was
a. I've heard about. I've never seen. I'm very excited. Excited. This movie again came
out 84. We were like 4 years old. I think I probably saw. I didn't
see the theater. I would have seen the first time. We were five or six.
But I was a huge Star wars kid. Big, big time. There just wasn't a
lot of Star wars stuff out back then. I mean, you know, you watch Return
of the Jedi, you watch Empire Strikes Back, like, whatever. But this movie scratched the.
The Star wars itch in a lot of ways. And it was a movie I
probably watched, you know, 20, 30, 40 times, just in elementary school. Like,
it was a regular viewing for me. So very excited to share it with you.
You know, we'll see how it holds up. We'll see what the perspective of somebody
watching it in 2025 for the first time. It's going to be different than all
the memories and nostalgia I have for it. But that's kind of. That's the beauty
of the show is, is, you know, does the. No. Is the nostalgia enough?
Right, right, right. Is the movie stand on its own or do maybe that's Movie
Center. Do you need the nostalgia? So next week we will watch the Last Star
Fighter, and I'm excited. All right. Okay. Well, this has
been Point Break, and this has been at 2 dads, 1 movie. I'm Steve.
And I'm Nick. Thank you guys all so much for listening. Take care. Thanks,