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Steve

It's two Dads one Movie. It's the podcast where two mid dads sit around and shoot the shit about the movies of the 80s and 90s. Here are your hosts, Steve Paulo and Nic Briana. Hello, everybody. It's another episode of two Dads, one Movie.

Steve

I'm Steve.

Nic

And I'm Nic.

Steve

Today we're Talking about the 1995 comedy classic Tommy Boy, starring Chris Farley and David Spade. This was my pick. It's something that, you know, it's one of those movies that just kind of sticks with you.

Steve

I mean, I was. We were 15 when this came out. It was, like, kind of perfectly in line with, you know, the sense of humor of teenage boys in the 90s. Farley was obviously, you know, a massive, massive star at the time. You know, he.

Steve

This was kind of his. I don't know. I mean, it was a little bit of his, like, not debut because he'd been in movies, but this was sort of like Chris Farley's, like, Star Turn.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

You know, this was kind of what.

Steve

The movie that made him such a huge star. And unfortunately, of course, came only two years before he would tragically pass away far too young. But, yeah, this was. This was, you know, a really fun movie that I think kind of everybody I knew growing up watched this. This was a pretty.

Steve

Pretty standard watch for teenage boys in the 90s, at least.

Nic

Oh, for sure.

Steve

What's your history with it?

Nic

Yeah, definitely. It was in the mix all the other movies that starred SNL alumni at the time.

Nic

So that was kind of how we determined what our guys were. So we loved the Wayne's World and the Tommy Boy and the Sandler stuff and everything. Yeah, so I was really into this. This was certainly one that one of my buds who worked at Blockbuster would have owned on vhs, you know, grab those discount VHS and we just. It's a good background movie.

Nic

Throw it on a bunch of times. Good to quote. And yeah, it was a fun time. And Farley is absolutely a force of nature. And this is a movie that really.

Nic

Farley cook.

Steve

Yes. Yeah. This is. When you think of some movies as being a vehicle, they use that term, right?

Steve

It's a so and so vehicle.

Nic

Right.

Steve

This is a Chris Farley vehicle. This is deliberately designed to. To put him into a role that he can shine, that takes advantage of his physical, you know, abilities at comedy, that takes advantage of his sort of that brand very much like John Candy had before him.

Steve

That brand of like sweet goofiness in a big guy, you know, Farley and Candy both shared that in a lot of ways. And this movie was really built around him, around his ability to be this funny.

Nic

This movie is like the cracker to deliver the caviar of Farley, you know.

Steve

Yes, it is. It's a stale table cracker.

Nic

Saltine ass movie.

Steve

Let's go ahead and jump in on the facts on Tommy Boy. So Tommy Boy came out on March 31, 1995. Rated PG 13. It has a running time of 97 minutes, directed by Peter Siegel, written by Bonnie and Terry Turner and starring Chris Farley and David sp scores.

Steve

Oh, boy. Rotten tomatoes. 41%. That is not fresh. That is rotten.

Steve

I guess I'm not that surprised. I think a lot of these Lorne Michaels produced movies from that era were critically panned. I think Wayne's World was pretty well appreciated. It was the one that kind of started the. But, you know, Coneheads, even.

Steve

I think Airheads was a Lorne Michaels.

Nic

It's Pat. The ladies, man.

Steve

A lot of these were, you know, superstar, whatever. These were all kind of panned badly.

Steve

So there's that. But IMDb on the other hand, a 7.1. Much better. Better, obviously very. Something that really, you know, strikes people, really sits with them well and is generally well, well regarded.

Nic

And a movie that's kind of proven itself, maybe more liked over time.

Steve

Yeah, for sure. Awards did win one award as far as I could find. It won the 1995 MTV Movie Award for Best on Screen Duo. For Farley and Spade, beating out, as we've mentioned a few times now, the great Ice Cube and Chris Tucker.

Steve

And Friday, on a budget of $20 million, just 32.6 million at the box office for a 1.63 multiplier on its budget, which is pretty disappointing. You don't even really think of them as being a true success until they hit about double their budget because they got to factor in marketing and all this other stuff. So, yeah, definitely low on the box office totem pole.

Nic

It is. Yeah, whatever.

Nic

Like the 9050th anniversary SNL documentaries told you about how it's always been a phenomenon sweeping the nation. I mean, just look back at what some people thought of these SNL generated films at the time and see if Lauren has always been the master of culture that he claims to have been.

Steve

I mean, I have two words about SNL always being on the zeitgeist, and those two words are Joe Piscopo. So, like, you know, let's just. We can move on from there.

Steve

All right, so the movie opens up in the past. It sort of starts with a flashback, right? We have a very young Tommy Callahan III, Farley's character, but as you know, maybe like a 12 year old. It looks like something like that. And his mom calls from, you know, the inside.

Steve

He's playing like in his. In his treehouse backyard. And his mom calls from the house, you know, Tommy, you're gonna be late for school, you gotta get going, you know, whatever. And he's like, oh, Snikey's. And like starts running and he uses a couple of the phrasings that Tommy will use later on, which is almost like a reverse fan service thing because we don't actually know it yet, but it's like, you know, like later on you look back and you go, well.

Nic

That was kind of do fan service or something. There's no fans for you. Yeah.

Steve

So he's running and he runs through, you know, he firstly runs into the like, you know, sliding glass door and then he like has to go in through the house and he's like running through the neighborhood. He ends up, like dropping his lunch in order to get a do that's chasing him to leave him alone.

Steve

He leaves his history book on the, on the floor, on the ground. You know, he's doing this stuff. And we also get briefly introduced to a young version of the other main character of the movie, Richard, David Spade's character, because he's riding his bike to school and already making fun of Tommy for being late again and being worthless and stuff. And I do believe we might get the. That might be the first.

Steve

Shut up, Richard. There's like at least five or six.

Nic

Shut up, Richards Yeah, there's a lot of Shut up Richards. I think that's right.

Steve

It comes a little later, I think the first one.

Steve

But yeah, that's the idea is how we start.

Nic

And honestly, amazing, like for grown up Tommy to have the, the. The self esteem that he does because he's just surrounded by people that are, you know, at least other people outside of his family are just telling him he's a piece of all the time.

Steve

It feels like only Richard does that though, because all the kids on the bus are going, come on, Tommy, come on. They're like, they're like cheering him on.

Steve

Right. So I think because he's.

Nic

I'm thinking about the other guy at the plant, but maybe he's an outlier as well.

Steve

I think RT is also an outlier, but I think most of the people in this universe seem to really like Tommy. He seems like a well liked person in general.

Steve

But we very quickly flash forward to almost the exact same thing.

Nic

Good cut. I think this a. It's a good transition.

Steve

And so now we have college aged adult Tommy.

Steve

We figure. I think they mentioned he's took him seven years to graduate college. He's like 25, let's call it. 25 year old Tommy is now at Marquette University and same thing, he's like late for the shuttle or the bus or whatever to get to his final exam for history. And he does basically kind of repeats the.

Steve

Almost the same sequence, right?

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Running.

Nic

So everything's elevated a little bit. The music is very whimsical.

Nic

It's very like, honey, I shrunk the kids kind of. Yeah.

Steve

Also very Billy Madison though, in a way.

Nic

Yeah. So one of the things is because he's this big lumbering guy, he's running towards his class and there's a scene where he turns a corner and there's this unsuspecting kind of nerdy guy there who just starts whimpering in fear when he sees him coming, which is very funny.

Nic

And he gets up finally to the door, the building he's trying to enter. And he's pulling at it with both hands for the love of just overacting. And after trying for about four seconds, slumps on the side of the door like, I'm never going to get in. And then this, you know, dainty looking woman just very easily opens the door next to him because he was doing it wrong. So there's some good Farley physical comedy.

Steve

Absolutely. Yeah. And so he's in, he makes it into his history class. He's sweating and huffing and Puffing. But his teacher brings him exam and, you know, whatever, and he kind of smiles and the guy looks at him like, what an idiot, you know, but he has to answer, you know, about the.

Steve

There's a fill in the blank history question about the signers of the Declaration of Independence. And it mentions like John Adams and James Madison and blank Hancock.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And he thinks for a second and writes in her be Hancock. And you know, just like.

Steve

Okay, dummy reference.

Nic

That was better in 1995. Yeah, for sure.

Steve

Hey, Herbie, Hancock is timeless. Right?

Nic

Look, I agree, but I think today's youth aren't as into rocket.

Steve

To be fair, today's youth aren't watching Tom boy either. But so we jump ahead just a bit to the grades getting posted. And so he goes and he looks. He's kind of looking for.

Steve

And he finds Tom, you know, Callahan Thomas iii. And he's got a D plus. And he's so happy that he passed. Oh, I passed. Oh, my God.

Steve

You know, and it reminded me of something because as a person who graduated college. Not going to give you my gpa, but let's just say it wasn't. It wasn't good.

Nic

He got straight P's.

Steve

Yeah, I was.

Steve

Well, no, some of them were letter. Actual letter grades. But yeah, Ds get degrees. That was the. That was the saying I used in college.

Steve

And sure enough, it's true. As long as when it comes to those upper, you know, sort of a division requirements, as long as you pass them, that's usually all it takes. So Tommy's got his degree. D's get degrees. And.

Steve

Yeah. So we jump ahead now to. He's hanging out with his rugby buddies on the rugby team at Marquette. And they're. Sorry, go ahead.

Nic

Sorry, bad music. Instance number one steps in here. Oh, what is it we've got? I think it's called I Want to Hear It Loud by the Funk Junkies.

Steve

Oh, my God, that's right.

Nic

P H U N K. And at one point I treated any kind of like rap rock music because I loved, you know, like the way the Beastie Boys did it, but like Rage against the Machine and a lot of this stuff. But then I treated that like it was gold. And I would buy all these CDs of these crappy bands. So the Funk Junkies were definitely one of them. And at the end of this movie, there's a Funk Junkie song.

Nic

It might be this one that plays during the credit. Just listen to the guys sing and see how long you can do it for. Because I'm sure you're going to break my wife's record.

Steve

Oh, 25 seconds. Yeah, yeah.

Steve

So they're at this like house party at their, you know, whatever, these rugby frat guys, whatever they are, and they're talking about how he's finally graduated. They're going to miss him and all this stuff. And so, you know, he basically gets up the cheers and he likes, drinks a beer. He takes a big hit from a bong and he's talking and of course then he like passes out standing up and falls to a table and it's like, it can't be a Chris Farley joint if he doesn't fall through a table.

Nic

No coffee table is safe around Chris Farley.

Nic

He's either doing coke off it or crashing through it or both. Oh, earlier when he, when he realized he passed, he got his D plus, he's celebrating and he goes up and he really like hugs this guy super hard. And then he separates and he says, I wish we'd known each other. This was a bit awkward. And this is like the farliness, like some of that stuff that only he could make that funny.

Nic

So I really like that line.

Steve

There is something about Farley. Yeah. It's this combination of his. He's Lenny from Of Mice and Men.

Steve

But he's also like adorable and sweet and you know what I mean? So it's like you feel like at any moment he could crush you. But also he's like an incredibly just like nice guy. Like, you know what I mean? And it's like, and it's so, it's just, it's kind of cute.

Steve

Even though it's like, yeah, you, you would destroy me if you like bear hugged me. Like I would just. My shoulders would crack in half.

Nic

Right, right. A little disregard for other people not being like the same size as him.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

Like the video of like the giant blind dog that thinks it's little and.

Steve

It'S like, yeah, he's literally a chow chow.

Nic

Like, but he's good, good natured. He's not, he's not being mean to anybody.

Nic

Is very good here. So now Tommy's, he's flying home. He's done, he's got his degree and he's going back to Sandusky, Ohio where he lives.

Steve

Yes. And at the airport he's greeted by David Spade, by Richard, and Tommy gets off.

Steve

He's like, hey, Richard, how's it going? You know, hey, I thought my dad would be here. And he's like, your dad was here. You weren't on the right Flight, you know, he had to go back to work. Bas and he's like, oh, hey.

Steve

You know. And so he gets his luggage off the plane, which is just a garbage bag wrapped in duct tape.

Nic

That's very nice. Wonderful garbage bag full of clothes, still pulling hose.

Steve

So.

Steve

Yeah. And so then I think it's. They go to, they go to the factory. Right. So this is.

Steve

Tommy is the son of Big Tom Callahan, who's actually Tom Callahan Jr. Because we know Tommy's the third. And so big Tom Callahan, played by Brian Dennehy. He's the CEO, president whatever of Callahan Auto Parts in Sandusky, Ohio. So they have this big plant, they employ 300 people making it looks like mostly at this point, at the beginning, almost exclusively oil filters. Seems like that's the majority of what they're on the assembly line, what they're making.

Steve

And so Tommy comes back to the office and while his dad is talking to like a couple of his other executives and one of the guys from the bank about borrowing more money, getting an infusion of capital so that they can power on their brake pads division. They've built, you know, they've sort of done all this building of machinery and stuff. And then they need to hire more workers and they need to like train them and they need to buy materials to make these brake pads. So they're trying to get another loan and the banks, you know, being a little reluctant, but you know, Big Tom's a real salesman and he really sells him on, on, you know, the being the future of the, of the, you know, Callahan and all this stuff. But that's when Tommy shows up.

Steve

And there's this moment between Farley and Dennehy that I love this sumo wrestler hug you do where they're both doing the stomp and the slap of the thighs and then they come at each other like two sumo wrestlers looking to push each other out of the ring. But it's a hug.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

And it is pure big guy joy. It is so awesome.

Nic

They, I, I wrote this down too because I think Dennehy is a great actor and he's been great in a lot of stuff. But there is like a real chemistry between him and Farley. And just to see like, like I talked about earlier, Harkud Farley have such good self esteem. His dad loves his shit. His dad loves his material.

Nic

He loves Tommy being Tommy. He can't get enough of it right. So it's really cool to see that while we get to see the, the Dennehy Farley connection.

Steve

Yeah. And Especially in a scenario where we learn, you know, relatively quickly.

Steve

Right. That, that Tommy's mom passed away many years ago. It sounds like he is not in the picture where she's gone. You know, to have a father figure who's both obviously a professional running a company, that's got to be a busy job. You're not around as often as you want to be as a dad with a job like that, but to have that relationship with his son still is like, really remarkable.

Steve

I think it's a really great, you know, commentary on, on, you know, as for fathers is kind of like, yeah, you know, you, maybe you can't have everything, but you can pay attention to your kid and give them what they need and still be, you can still be successful.

Nic

You don't have to sacrifice that.

Steve

Exactly. So. So it's really great.

Steve

Their, their interactions are fantastic. Even when, even when Big Tom, you know, kind of recognizes that Tommy's just said something really dumb or like, you know, whatever, like he asks it. He keeps showing him things and Tommy, you know, voluntarily is covering his eyes. Oh, do I open my eyes now? Daddy's like, damn it, boy, I told you you don't have to close your eyes.

Steve

He, it's still in, in good, in good humor, you know, he's still kind of like cute about it, even though it's clear it's a little irritating. He's kind of like.

Nic

But he still kind of likes it. Yeah, it's like where your kid will ask you to do something that you know they can do for themselves, but you're just kind of like, ah, yeah, sure, I'll do it for you, you little tyke.

Steve

I still am putting toothpaste on my 7 year old daughter's toothbrush sometimes, and they do not need to do that.

Steve

But there we are.

Nic

So. So Tommy's kind of. And Tommy's shown to be very well liked. So he's walking through the Callahan factory, which, which I'm sorry to drop my second 8 mile reference in the first 15 minutes of this podcast, but it kind of looks like a Sesame street version of New Detroit Stamping.

Nic

Like everybody's happy to see him. These are the people in your neighborhood. We all like working here. Even though it's the same job as the job that was supposed to be the worst job in 8 mile.

Steve

That's right.

Steve

Yes, exactly. It's like the worst place you could be is in this horrific shop floor. Right? And it's like, well, no, not if you're in Ohio. Maybe if you're in In Michigan, true.

Steve

But not in Ohio. In Ohio, it's all bubbles in sunshine.

Nic

It's very happy. Yeah. And so Tommy walks up to one of his friend co workers who's using the smoothing machine, this, like, power sander for these oil filters.

Nic

Oil filters. And Tommy. I just love that. Tommy goes up. He's like, can I try one?

Nic

And the guy's like, help yourself and knock yourself out. Hey, come on. Step into my spot in the factory. Yeah, it looks fun, doesn't it? Come on.

Nic

It is fun.

Steve

What's ocean? So, yeah, of course, he puts it on the grinder and it slips out of his fingers and flies all over, almost killing several people. Flying through a window, breaking this window, which, you know, I know it's not a clean room, but it's probably not great that a bird could now fly in and get into the machinery. Yeah.

Steve

And everybody sort of is, like, really happy to see their life. And literally, like, when I distance, like, boy, y' all need a little, like, tighter sort of like, like regulations on your shop floor, I think, is the problem here. And.

Nic

And Tommy, God damn it, I want to call him Tommy Senior. Why did they have to make him the third?

Nic

This is not based on a novel. This is not based on real life.

Steve

To Tommy and Big Tom. Yeah, Tommy and Big Tom.

Nic

Big Tom.

Nic

Once again, Big Tom really enjoyed Tommy doing that. He really liked it. Like, you can see it on his face.

Steve

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve

And so, yeah. So they get. So Big Tom takes the executives and the bank guy and Tommy into the new brake pad division. It's like all these real shiny, you know, new machines. Everything looks clean.

Steve

And it's like, you know, Callahan Brake pads, like, the whole deal, big deal. And, you know, while he continues to talk about Big Tom does to the guys about, like, hey, this is the future. This is what we're going to do. This is going to be amazing. And everybody's really impressed by it.

Steve

Tommy has walked over to, you know, this, like, remote control thing. It's like hanging. He presses a button and these hooks start coming across. I'm guessing they're moving. They will eventually be used to move very heavy materials from one side of the factory to the other for different things.

Steve

But he's.

Nic

Or they're for, like, boss fights and action.

Steve

Yeah, I was gonna say, right. Yeah. This also vaguely looking like you could put an I beam on it and throw it into somebody's face, you know, Joe Penteliano, watch out.

Steve

But, you know, so he's like. He says about, like, how he almost gets Hit by one, but then he ducks, right? And he's like, I've got cat like speed and reflexes. Yes. And it's the thing here.

Steve

And I didn't mention this the very beginning, but at the beginning of the movie when he is running through the college campus to get to class, like, Farley can move for a big athletic. He. Sure he was very athletic. And the size of his calves, when he's like pulling on the door and everything, it's like he's got these enormous boulder calves. I know it's from carrying around the amount of weight he had to carry around.

Steve

There's that. But like, the dude is muscular.

Nic

He can move. He can like flip and like do the worm and all this stuff. He's actually the best athlete that ever went to Marquette until Dwyane Wade went there.

Steve

But yeah, so he's like fighting these hooks and having fun and kind of like, why all this stuff? Until his, his dad kind of notices and it's like, okay, buddy, come on. But it's like, even then it's like this sweet, just kind of like, let's go, we're done, you know, kind of thing.

Nic

And, but, but Richard at the same time hates all this shit, right?

Steve

It's funny.

Steve

I don't think he hates it, but he definitely is not nice to Tommy.

Nic

Richard has a lot of resentment towards Tommy, we'll say that.

Steve

Yes, that's true. So.

Nic

Because after we look at the, the brake pad division now, Tommy goes to his office.

Steve

That's right.

Nic

And you know, big Tom takes Tommy into his office. He shows him and Richard sees it and Richard says, oh, you have a window. Why wouldn't you? You've been working here for 10 minutes.

Nic

So. And then, you know, he's got his mini fridge and him just like listing the stuff that he could put in the fridge. And then the dad's just like, he doesn't say, like, stop doing that. He's like, anything you want. Anything you want to keep cold.

Nic

He's just so nice and encouraging. I love it.

Steve

I do think from the Richard character though, man, if you're going to go to work for a company that has been in the same family for three generations and you are in any way surprised that's going to become a fourth generation, like, that's on you, right? Go, go, go work for Ford or gm. Like they're, they're, they're not family run businesses.

Steve

You know, if you're going to go work at this place that's 300 employees and the great grandfather of the idiot kid you don't like is the one who's, you know, founded it. Like, too bad. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't.

Steve

I don't begrudge anyone keeping a business in their family if they can do it at all.

Nic

Right. If they know how to do it. Yeah. Richard's trying to be the Tom Wambs games up in here.

Steve

Doesn't work. There is no shiv to. To. To bed here.

Nic

So he sees his office now and then, but Big Tom tells him he's got another surprise. He's got another surprise at home. And then we get a very quick scene of a bus pulling into town, and Rob Lowe steps off the bus just looking like a classic asshole with the leather jacket and everything.

Steve

I gotta ask you here, do you feel like, was Rob Lowe playing a bigger asshole douchebag in this movie or in Wayne World? Yeah, it's not an easy call because.

Nic

In this one, his intentions are probably worse, but he's unsuccessful with everything he tries to do.

Steve

That's the thing. I feel like the character in Wayne's World is not quite as evil core, like, nefarious, whatever, but he's smart and manipulative and shitty and does try to steal Wayne's girlfriend and whatever. But here it's like the Paul character in this movie is so much more just like cartoonishly evil and really incompetent. And he does kind of end up almost doing what he needs to do and later in the movie, but, like, he really screws things up pretty.

Steve

Pretty commonly. But it's interesting when I think about. And we were talking about this before we got on the record that, you know, Rob Lowe at some point, and I think it was Parks and Recreation, like, rehabilitated his character image.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And the kind of characters we accept and see him as, because before that, he played a lot of real jerks.

Nic

And his Parks and Rec character is so good. Like, he's so perfect as that.

Steve

Yes.

Nic

You know, the two nice.

Steve

Yeah, yeah.

Steve

The. Too perfect. Yeah, yeah.

Nic

So. So he basically is.

Nic

He steps off the bus and he's like, drink a carton of chocolate milk. And there's this kid who has his face in the window. So he's standing in front of the bus and behind him is this kid pressing his face to the bus window, as kids do. And without looking, he just smashes his fist up. Up against the window to hit that kid.

Nic

It definitely impacted him because his face was against it. And then he walks away. He crumbles up his chocolate milk carton and he litters it into a baby stroller.

Steve

Cartoonishly bad.

Nic

So there's a couple moments, and I feel like, overall, this Rob Low character was kind of underutilized. But there's a couple moments where I'm like, that's the kind of shit you need to turn up in this movie, right, to really, like, make it pop.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

But great.

Nic

Great intro to him before we know who he is.

Steve

Right, exactly. So we just see him. We don't have any idea who he is. But then we get Tommy and Big Tom back at the house.

Steve

They got this big mansion, whatever, that Tommy grew up in. And they go out to the backyard, and, you know, this beautiful woman comes up out of the pool. It's Bo Derek. And Tommy says, wow, dad, is that for me? And he's like, no, son.

Steve

That's for. And then, of course, Tommy has to make the obligatory comment, like, dad, she's a 10.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Which is a reference to, obviously, the film Bo Derek's probably most famous for having been in from the 70s. I'm just gonna say real quick about Bo Derek two things about her in this film.

Steve

One, I don't think at any point she ever wears a bra. It's an interesting choice, but there's just, like, lots of thin material over things. And then two, she's bad as an actress. Like, she's not good. This is.

Steve

I don't know if she was ever good in other things. Like, I'm not really a. I'm not, like, a connoisseur of Bo Derek's filmography, but, like, she's quite terrible. So I think she was cast specifically as the, like, people Brian Dennehy's age still think of her as, like.

Nic

Right. Who would his, like, dream woman be?

Steve

Unreachable, unachievable goddess character. This gorgeous thing. And it's like, okay, that's fine. Like, you know, whatever. I guess, you know, it would be, like, for us if somebody put Kathy Ireland in something.

Steve

I don't know if she looks great still or not. But, you know, you go back to our youth, and it's like, okay, but Bo Derek is terrible in this movie.

Nic

And not worth enough, like, referencing her.

Steve

Prior work from, like, 20 years prior.

Nic

To this movie and not even saying a thing about First Blood.

Nic

You talk about Dennehy, make references to his prior work. Don't talk about. Talk about gladiators, you know? Anyway, so, yeah, so he's gonna. He says, tommy, I've asked Beverly to marry me.

Nic

And Tommy is like. Like, what'd she say? Good Farley.

Steve

It's so good. So, yeah.

Steve

So then Beverly and Big Tom are talking to Tommy and they let him know that Beverly has a son, too. And now that means that Tommy's going to have a brother. We get that. Tommy's an only child. He doesn't have any siblings.

Steve

And so he is super excited at this idea of having a brother. And of course, because it's movie magic, right when they're talking about it, ding dong at the door, that's probably him. And it's Rob Lowe. It's the Paul character is the son of Beverly that we're introduced to. And Tommy opens the door and is like, hey, you know, he's like, hi, I'm Paul.

Steve

Like, you must be Tommy. And he goes to. Held his hand out to shake it. And that's when Tommy. One of the.

Steve

One of the more famous, I think, lines that survived this movie, you know, and is still remembered is, you know, brothers don't shake hands. Brothers got a hug. Yeah. Just grabs him in a big bear hug and, you know, it's good stuff.

Nic

Another good Farley only kind of thing.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

Yeah. So he immediately, he wants to take his new brother out on the town and show him everything that San Diego, Ohio has to offer. And he's basically. It seems like they've already been out for a bit because Paul says to Tommy, is there anything to do in this town besides eat?

Nic

So he's taking him to dinner.

Steve

I think that's just a fat joke.

Nic

Oh, okay.

Steve

I thought that was just a fat joke. But maybe he took him to dinner.

Steve

I don't know.

Nic

So he takes him out somewhere and we're just. The camera's facing the character so we don't see what they're looking at. He's like, hey, this is your first time. Kind of alluding to the fact that maybe they're at a strip club or something like that waffle or something.

Nic

And then, you know, it's revealed and Tommy says, I can't believe you've never been cow tipping before. Yeah, and they do a little cow tipping and there's one of those crazy comedy movie stampedes with wacky stuff happening when.

Steve

When he goes to line up like a football lineman, you know, at the. At the base of the cow. And even kind of makes the joke about.

Steve

Yeah, it's a, you know, center option between the udder and the, you know, haunches and blah, blah, whatever. It's like on two. On two. And he does this whole thing and then he slips in like the mud and cow shit. And he gets stepped on.

Steve

His head gets stepped on by the cow. A cow would have stepped right through his skull.

Nic

That's.

Steve

I don't. I don't believe the human skull would have supported the weight of even a fourth of a cow.

Steve

Right. Like, I mean, even if it's just a single. Because I just.

Nic

And not the back of your head.

Steve

I mean, good God.

Steve

Just, like, it's really, really brutal.

Nic

Watch.

Steve

Because it's one of the things. It's like, okay, in this comedy world, he literally suffers zero ramifications from that whatsoever. I mean, it has never.

Steve

There's nothing that ever happens to him because that. But it would have, like, completely crushed a human.

Nic

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did. I thought of tracking, like, medical woes throughout this film.

Nic

Like, how many times would Tommy have actually died for stuff that happened? But I think he. He had several lives in this movie.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

So the.

Nic

The cows, you know, they. So Tommy spooks the cows. They all. They all run off. He's fully covered in quote, mud.

Nic

End quote. And. And, you know, Paul has gotten a little on his pants and shoes and everything. So it cuts to them at the gas station, using the free water there at the gas station. And Paul washing his shoes off.

Nic

And Tommy's just. He's filthy, and he's just like, can you believe how fun this is? You know, get me, get me. And he's spraying him, and he's like, I'm a maniac. He's singing and everything.

Steve

Flash, dance thing.

Nic

Really funny. A line I love from Paul is where he looks at his shoes. He's like, these shoes are Italian. They're worth more than your life.

Steve

Which by no measure, like, I don't care how you measure the value of a life. How, like, insignificant you think the monetary value of a life might be. Those shoes are. Look, a pair of Italian shoes in the mid-90s. What, three, $400?

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Come on, come on.

Nic

I don't know. We're in the OJ trial era, though. Bruno Molly's were in the news, so.

Nic

Yeah. So Tommy's back. He's at the office, and he meets Michelle, right, The. Who ends up being kind of the love interest of the film. An old friend of his, somebody that he's known before.

Nic

He knew her brother or something?

Steve

Well, no, I think they, like, went to school together. I think they probably went to high school together because she says something about whatever.

Nic

Oh, they sat together in the club. Yeah.

Nic

I do just want to say pneumatic tubes. Love them.

Steve

Yeah, always.

Nic

Love Them.

Steve

Yeah.

Steve

Before we even get to meet Michelle, though, like, Tommy does something that I think everybody our age tried at some point, which is talking into the desk fan. Oh, yeah. And doing the Luke, I am your father like kind of thing. We all tried that at some point. I also want to say the character Michelle, I actually didn't recognize realize this until this watch through because it's been a while since I've seen Tommy Boy.

Steve

It's probably been 15 years since I watched this movie. Movie. And I did not recognize her as also the main love interest for Michael J. Fox in the film Doc Hollywood. She played Lou in the film Doc Hollywood and is didn't even realize that like these two sort of like core memories for me, Tommy Boy and Doc Hollywood, and that they're the same woman.

Steve

I didn't put two and two together, but she's much funnier in this Doc Hollywood's not as funny a movie as Tommy Boy is. So. Yeah.

Nic

Imagine Farley and Michael J. Fox both being your type.

Nic

Yeah, that's. That's good. I like that.

Steve

That's broad range.

Nic

Yeah, for sure.

Nic

So. Yeah. Oh, one of the funny things that he said when he's talking to Michelle and it shows Tommy is a little uncomfortable around the lady, but he's being very nice. And this was a Farley thing kind of brought from snl. He's like, you remember your brother Dwayne?

Steve

Do you remember your brother Dwayne? Yeah. Then what does she offer him? She offers him a donut or something. Right?

Steve

She offers him food or something.

Nic

Yes, she offers him something like that. And he talks about how he can't.

Steve

Have it the way he says, I have what the doctors call a little bit of a weight problem.

Nic

I used to grab bear claws two at a time and they would get launched right here.

Steve

It's so good. Oh my God.

Nic

Again, is Farley cooking and making the most of. You know, there's not all this funny stuff for him to say necessarily in the script, except that he's able to make it work. He's able to make that really good.

Steve

Because it's not just the lines, it's the delivery. Right. It's like I have what the doctors call a little bit of a up wake problem is like a pretty boring, bland line.

Nic

Right.

Steve

Until he says it the way he says it.

Steve

And then it's just hilarious.

Nic

So, so good.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

So classic movie thing. Engagement and wedding happen like a week apart from each other.

Nic

So the wedding is happening.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

And Big Tom is getting married to Beverly and we have this beautiful wedding. It looks like it's at their house.

Steve

Yeah, wonderful.

Nic

Great, great setup there.

Steve

One of the great. I love. Brian Dennehey's got a bunch of great moments in this kind of sequence. And my favorite one is when he's talking to a guy.

Steve

He' obviously clearly working at his wedding because he's trying to sell, you know, oil filters or whatever to somebody you happen to buy him, put them in his stores, and he's like, well, you know, maybe it's the brake pads thing. It's like, oh, well, you know, maybe I need to come down and see your. See your operation before I commit. And he says, you know, a line that Tommy tries and screws up several times. But big Tom says, well, you know, I can get a good look at a t bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

Steve

And the guy kind of likes that. Enough it's down homey. Enough that he's like, all right, I'll buy from Utah, you know, whatever. And I love it that he turns, he goes to Tommy, he goes, eight whiskey sours. And I can still sell the bastard.

Steve

It's like I'm thinking myself. Like, I don't deny big Tom's a big guy. Yeah. But eight whiskey sours. Like, if nothing else, that's heartburn.

Steve

Like, good God.

Nic

For sure, dude. That is a nightmare. At 3am you're going to wake up clutching your chest.

Steve

Luckily he's not.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

Yeah. Actually, maybe that the eight whiskey sours was explaining to us what was about to happen. Foreshadowing.

Steve

Did she.

Steve

Did he just have bad indigestion and they buried him alive. Is that what. Is that really the story of Todd?

Nic

We need the maox necromancer to come and bring him back to life.

Steve

He's down there pounding on the thing. Hey, I just had eight whiskey sours.

Nic

I'm okay in a Gotta digestion. God damn, dude.

Steve

Oh, man.

Nic

So, yeah, so he's selling at the wedding. And it's also. It makes for a great character, but in real life. I hate guys like that.

Nic

No, no, this is the worst. You know, just take a day off, dude.

Steve

It's your fucking wedding.

Nic

Hey, man, where you at on your. On your home mortgage?

Steve

What?

Nic

These fucking realtors specifically, you know, there's never been a better time to be involved in a commission paying transaction whether you're buying or selling. Like, shut the fuck up. Like, they're just absolutely the worst.

Steve

So.

Nic

So big Tom I like him. I would probably like him in real life. I hate people who do business that way. It's very annoying.

Steve

Yes.

Nic

So they. They go into this kind of semi impromptu perform. Like, when would they've rehearsed it, I guess is my question. Unless it's like their thing they do at parties.

Steve

I think that's the thing, is it's something that they've just done before.

Steve

Like, they both know the song. They've done this maybe at, like birthdays, Christmas, whatever, gatherings. So it's just like when he calls him up, Tommy knows right away what. What it's for. That's the sense I got.

Steve

Because they obviously. Tommy just got home from college. He didn't even know Beverly and Tom were getting married. So it's not like they would have probably prepared it for this. Right.

Steve

But they obviously both know the song well enough, so.

Nic

And what is that song called?

Steve

Don't actually know.

Nic

I don't know. It's one of those songs that's like almost royalty free, like a general good time, somewhat familiar song.

Nic

And. And during, you know, the middle of this performance, Big Tom just keels over and we basically have just the. The overhead shot of everyone gathering around him as he's laid there. And there's no. It cuts straight to the funeral bagpipes.

Steve

The number of, like, hard cuts to the funeral like, that we've seen between Happy Gilmore and this movie is like, really? And those two movies came out the same year. They're both like Lorne Michaels associated films in a lot of ways. I don't know if he was technically a producer on Gilmore or not, but he was on Billy Madison. But yeah, a lot of hard cuts to the funeral.

Steve

Yeah, right. Like, it's just an interesting, you know, thing that happens.

Nic

But yeah, and then we get like kind of a long. Kind of a serious scene of just Tommy, you know, in the wake of his father's funeral. The bagpipe music's playing, and then he does the thing that we all do, which is just leave the funeral on foot and walk to work.

Steve

He's walking to work. He's sort of.

Nic

He goes and he's wandering around and he ends up at the factory and stuff like that. And he's pondering. But I just thought this was kind of interesting because it's a big stretch of the movie that has no jokes in it.

Nic

And I think this movie had made a conscious decision that there's certain things it's not joking about. Unlike A Happy Gilmore, which is. Which is making light of this.

Steve

There's not a lot of dark humor in this. There are.

Steve

There are some dark things that happen. Mostly the Big Tom's death is sort of the dark thing that happens. But. But they don't really laugh about it the way that they would in like a Happy Madison production. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Steve

There's. Farley doesn't have that kind of darkness to him. You know, this was not. There's nothing about this movie related to like Adam McKay or Will Ferrell who have dark sides. You know, this is very much like Farley's, just a little too bright of a shining sunlight, you know, when it comes to comedy to really, I think, work as a dark humor guy.

Steve

I didn't think it works that way personally for me. So. So yeah, it's good that they sort of like let this moment settle. You know, we all recognize, okay, obviously this is devastating kind of thing. And I think the next scene is on the boat.

Nic

We're on the boat.

Steve

That's right. So again, one of the more famous sort of sequences and scenes. Scenes. You know, you heard it at the beginning of this episode when you turned it on.

Steve

But you know, basically Michelle and Tommy are out on his boat. It's a little tiny sailboat, a little dinghy. It's got the sail up, but there's no wind. So they're just kind of sitting there and it's really, you know, really funny gag of, you know, the sight his end of the boat being weighed down into the water so much more than her side. You know, she probably weighs like 105 pounds or something.

Steve

And he's Chris Farley. But they start getting heckled by these three, you know, 13 year old boys on the beach or whatever. And you know, know he tries to sort of sound tough and yell back at them. Yeah. And they're not buying it.

Steve

And then when they keep heckling again, he's about to stand up to say again, like, you're knocking off your punks. And she jumps up and she delivers like one of the darkest like, like threats comedy movie ever. When she says, I know where you live and I've seen where you sleep. And I swear on everything holy, your mothers will cry when they've seen what I've done to you. Damn.

Nic

So good.

Steve

Yeah, so, so dark.

Nic

And that was good because it was, it was unexpected and we just been through this kind of like melancholy of the funeral scene and stuff. So it kind of like picks things back up. One thing that wasn't like a punchline during this scene.

Nic

But again it's just why I love Chris Farley. When he's trying to keep it together. He's very funny because you know that in his mind, he has lost it the second the kid said something to him, but he's trying to keep it together. And when the kids, because they're not saying like, hey, nice slow boat, they're.

Steve

Like, hey, you fat piece of crap, like, they're being so mean to going at it.

Nic

And. And he's just like, yep, need a little wind here. And then they say something else. He's like, well, I guess that's your theory.

Steve

There's also a thing he does physically, visually, when he's in that mode, which is he, like digs his chin further into his chest and he sort of.

Steve

His. His sort of double triple chins get even more pronounced.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

And it's. And it's.

Steve

He's kind of like. It's an interesting look that he has about him. And it's clear the idea he's like, doing that because it's keeping him from exploding at some point. Like.

Nic

So we're back kind of at the. At the company.

Steve

Yeah, we're back in the boardroom now at Callahan. The company's got to decide what do we do now? Right.

Steve

Big Tom kind of was the company, is the head salesman. He's the president, son of, grandson of the founder. Like, this is, you know, what are we going to do? And so there is talk of Zelinsky, who is Dan Aykroyd's character. Ron.

Steve

Ray. Ray Zelinsky, the auto parts king. You know, I make parlo parts for the American working man because that's what I am. Like, that whole thing is a very Chicago kind of thing. And basically he's offering to buy the company.

Steve

Yep. And now that Tom's dead. But he died after Beverly married him before, it sounds like literally all the shares in the company were split 50, 50 between Tommy and Tom. Like that when Tom. Or maybe I guess Tom had them all.

Steve

And when he died, they got split evenly between Beverly and Tommy. Something like that. So Tommy has half the company, Beverly has half the company. And the bank is like, hey, we're not. We can't extend that loan for the brake pad thing like we talked about, because now Tom's gone.

Steve

So we don't know how this is going to go. Like, we can't have faith in the company.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Because Tom was the company, you know, and so Tommy's like, well, what if I put up my shares and, you know, the house and everything that I Have. Would that be enough, you know, to get the loan, to secure the loan and get the money we need?

Steve

And the guy's like, yeah, sure, but are you sure you want to do that? Because, like, whatever. And he's like, yeah, like my dad said, this is the future. Like, let's do it. Well, Beverly and Paul both kind of like looked disappointed at this and we learned a little bit of why.

Steve

But I love. There's a scene in the sequence in this where, you know, basically Tommy suggests that he go out and do his dad's sales job. And everybody is kind of. I don't know about that, Tommy. Like, you just got here, like, you don't really know what you're doing.

Steve

And there's this old woman sitting at the board thing and when they're talking about the plant would close if they sold to Zielinski, she goes, that's when the move in, Right. Starts talking about them shaking their ass for the men. And the guy sitting next to her is like, one time in the war, I visited a whorehouse and I have never lived it down since.

Nic

That was a very Sandler type addition to it.

Steve

Yes.

Nic

Yeah. Because otherwise this scene is a pretty straightforward George Bailey agrees to stay on to save the building and lone kind of scene.

Steve

Yep, absolutely.

Nic

And yeah, so that broke it up. And like, that's one of those things where I'm like, did more of that shit.

Nic

I would have liked more of that in this movie. Yeah. So Tommy is going to go on the road. And of course I don't know shit about this, but, you know, who knows everything about this? My dad's right hand man, Richard, and.

Steve

He'S open, his calendar's open. He was working with Big Tom. Big Tom's gone, so Richard's got nothing to do, right?

Nic

And he says, hey, we're going to take this trip through the Midwest on a sales call. Should we take the company car or should we drive your personal antique vehicle that you love more than anything else in world?

Nic

The. The world.

Steve

Yeah. Did they. Did.

Steve

Did Big Tom not own a car that Tommy now owns?

Nic

I gotta say, there is no way that Big Tom did not own a Ford F350 or larger. There's absolutely no way. He has boats. You know, he has multiple boats he needs to tow.

Nic

Shit.

Steve

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, to be fair, six miles a gallon is a little rough if you're trying to drive all over the Midwest. So. So, yeah, so they're going on, they're going out together.

Steve

Tommy's trying to study, you Know, but we're getting a bunch of little funny stuff. Stuff, you know, about the car. Don't eat in the car, like I told you. Whatever. Good stuff from top.

Steve

From just. This is now when it really becomes the Spade and Farley show, right? They really. There. It's the two of them together in almost every scene that either of them is in.

Steve

From here on out, in most of the scenes for the movie, they're both in it together. Right. Before, we had a lot of Tommy on his own, there was a lot of Farley on his own or Farley with other people. But for the most part now it's a lot of Farley and Spade together. And they're great.

Steve

The chemistry between them is great. You know, they're visually just so funny. They're very Abbott and Costello with the, you know, the big guy and the little guy kind of thing, which is all great. I love. They get to.

Steve

I think it's the first sales call and. Or. No, it's not the first. Because there's a bunch of recesses. We don't take no for an answer.

Steve

Say, no, no, no.

Nic

It's a good montage of the cut between, like, no problem. We don't take no for an answer. And then. Yeah, the way that he's like, gotcha.

Steve

Okay.

Nic

Like, just before they're even done saying no, like, he's ready to. To be done with it.

Steve

It's.

Nic

Yeah, I like that a lot.

Steve

But then they get to one where. Where the guy says no, and he's about to, like, just agree. And Richard kind of, you know, hey, like, taps on. What are you doing? You know, he's like.

Steve

And so they start thinking about, you know, how. He's like, well, let me. Let me ask you this. And he's got these model cars on his desk.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

And he's like, you know, what makes your brake pads different? He's like, oh, well. And no, that's right. So Richard starts explaining all the, like, technical stuff. He's like, ah, you're not speaking my language, little fella.

Steve

Like, you know, whatever. And so. And so Tommy grabs this, like, model. You know, looks like a Bel Air or something, convertible on the car. You know, he's.

Steve

And he. And he's like that.

Nic

The guy is very much like, don't touch. Like, he seems. Seems to care about that.

Steve

And you see there's a bunch of model cars behind them sitting on the seat, and then a bunch on the desk. And he kind of flinches like, oh, what are you doing? When he picks up he's like, imagine you're driving along. You've got your family in the car, whatever. And it's like.

Steve

Then there's a truck tire in the road. And. Whoa, that was close. Now let's see what happens with the other guy's brake pads. And he gets this other one that looks like a Model E or something, like a really old, like, you know, early car.

Steve

And he's like, you're driving along, and. And he smashes it into. It's like this big lighter. It's like a big, round cigarette lighter. And he's just smashing the model into it.

Steve

And then lights it on fire, Puts it on the desk, Puts it back on the desk, burning. And is like the paddy wagon show. Or, you know, the meat wagon shows up, and the. The coroner gets out and goes, oh, my God. The new guy's in the corner puking his guts out.

Nic

This guy's in the corner puking his guts out. Maybe laugh very hard.

Steve

Just going on and on. The dude is just. Just like.

Steve

Finally. Is just like, get out. Like, dude, dude.

Nic

This scene was certainly a concentration of caviar on that cracker. Like, this was just pure Farley.

Nic

It could have gone in any movie. Like, just him doing that. And what a great bit. And the way that he just, like, changes emotions so readily as he's telling in the story. And, like, really good.

Steve

Two little things in this. In this scene that are great is. One is when he does the, like, oh, my God. He does this fake cigar away, and it's just so perfect. The little motion and David Spade's reactions to him are wonderful.

Steve

You're really focused on Chris Farley in the scene. But if you, like, go back and watch it and just watch Spade sitting next to him, it starts off with, like, shock. And he's, like, watching and just shocked. And finally he's, like, covering his eyes and looking away. And it's just really perfectly played by David Spade as, like, just not knowing what the hell to do with this guy.

Nic

Right.

Steve

Really, really funny. Yeah. So.

Nic

So now they're looking for directions.

Nic

They're driving around. So Richard has gone into the gas station to talk to this guy about what his issue is. And Tommy's just kind of messing around in the car. And Richard cares a lot about his car. The passenger door is open, and then Tommy somehow lets the car roll back.

Steve

No, no. So he needs to fill it with gas. So he goes to get the gas nozzle, and the hose isn't long enough, so he's got to back up the Car a little bit to make it reach, but he doesn't close the front door, the driver's door, the To. To do it. So he starts backing up, and, you know, it's one of those big posts.

Steve

It's right next to every gas pumps. You don't drive into it. Just, you know, pulls the car door the wrong way open, and now it is, like, flush against the front fender of the car. And so he pulls back forward and goes, oh, my God. And he spends 20, 30 seconds, like, trying to push it back closed.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And it's super funny because, like, he's doing this while Spade's in the. In the little office, wherever. The little convenience store part, with the clerk talking about the map and, like, 22 miles away, looking for the town. Oh, it turns out you're in the wrong state.

Steve

This is a map of Illinois, where we are. You need to go to Iowa or whatever it was. Right. So he figures all that out. And we see Farley close the door, and it's really off kilter, and it looks screwed up.

Steve

But then when Spade comes out, it looks perfect.

Nic

I know. It looks, like, clearly dented when. When he first puts it in. And then Spade stops for a second, sees a tiny spot, licks his thumb and rubs it off there.

Nic

And he pulls the door open. Door. And it just falls to the ground.

Steve

And another perfect spot. Farley, delivery.

Steve

What did you do?

Nic

It's just so perfect.

Steve

Oh, my God.

Nic

So now we quickly. I think it's showing they're at a, like, a state fair type thing.

Steve

It's like a company. It's a company event or whatever. It's like family night at Callahan Auto.

Steve

And they've got some, like, amusement park rides.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Games and stuff, you know, for the whole company. But. But it's all marred.

Steve

It's. You know, there's this shadow of Tom's death, and, like, you know, not everybody's. Doesn't really know. Is Tommy gonna succeed in, like, saving them? Like, what's the situation?

Steve

So there's this, like, pallor over the night. But. But Rittenhouse or Rittenhauer or whatever the guy's name is saying, like, hey, let's try to enjoy ourselves. Tom would want that, you know, kind of thing. And this is when we get the first indication.

Nic

Paul and Beverly.

Steve

Yeah, there's something wrong with Paul and Beverly. They are really bold. They are really bold. They are.

Nic

Especially in light of this being, like, the employee night. Everyone was probably just at the wedding.

Steve

Yeah, all these people were just at the wedding, which as far as we was less than a week ago, right. When the wedding and the funeral and whatever else, and. And, yeah, we saw a lot.

Steve

Maybe not all 300, but a whole lot of the people we met, you know, on Tommy's walk through the factory were there at the wedding. They know Beverly, they know Paul, and they know who they are. And they, like, kind of walk between two booths or something. That's a little bit of a dark, ish area, but you can see people behind them walking back and forth. And it's like.

Steve

And they just. And Paul just kisses her, like, real passionately. And it's like. That is really bold. But it also is an indicator for the audience, Right.

Steve

That. Okay, they're clearly not. Either they are mother and son and super screwed up, or they're not mother and son at all. Right. And so that's the first indication that we get.

Nic

Yeah, well, they say. He says mother or whatever. She's like, I hate when you call. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

Nic

So then Paul, I think, is this where they step out and he's. He's taking a whiz.

Steve

Oh, yeah, yeah. So Michelle sees them walking off and it's a little weird. She sees them, like, with his arm around her, and it's like, it could be okay, but it's a little familiar.

Steve

Like, weird for like a mother daughter relationship. I mean, a mother son relationship, but it's not too weird. But she notices it. And then, yeah, he walks over and he decides to pee on a Callahan auto sign. But what he's not.

Nic

He's like a transformer behind it.

Steve

It's like a little. Yeah, some kind of a mini substation transformer thing, whatever. And it's just enough that he turns a little and his pee hits it and shoots him back. Like.

Steve

And it's like.

Nic

I don't even know if that would.

Steve

Work that way or not, but it's pretty funny. He flies back quite a ways.

Nic

It was good.

Nic

And again, that's a good Paul thing and definitely something that we would repeat. And college. Every time you're pissing outdoors, you say, this is what I think of Callahan before you start peeing on anything. And we were in the heyday of learning about not whizzing on the electric fence between Ren and Stimpy. And this scene here.

Steve

Yeah, yeah. Forgot about the Ren and Stimpy thing. Yeah, that's right.

Nic

He's been discussed a lot in our house lately. I think my wife and I might get back in a run in Stimpy.

Nic

Yeah. So now we're back with Tommy and Richard on the road.

Steve

Road.

Nic

And they end up hitting a deer.

Steve

Yeah.

Steve

I want to say something real quick before we get into the deer, because the deer stuff is great, but. Yeah, they hit a deer and they have. Because they're singing along with a song or. No, they're arguing. They're arguing.

Steve

Richard is, like, yelling at Tommy about something. And that's when Tommy, you know, looks up as, like, deer. And they don't stop in time. Quite funny, because they don't yet have those Callahan brake pads that haven't been made yet. That would have stopped them in time.

Steve

But what I noticed is you look around them, and it's fall. Like, it's bright orange leaves on things. How much time?

Nic

Finished college. Yeah.

Steve

If he finished college, usually finished the end of a semester. So it'd either be in the Midwest. It would either be, like, January at the end of the fall semester, or it's, like, May or June at the end of the spring semester. So, like, I'm assuming it's, like, was summertime when he graduated. He goes home and is immediately introduced to Beverly and told the wedding's on Saturday.

Steve

His dad dies at the wedding. Funerals usually happen within a week of the death. Right. You don't wait months to have the funeral. And now he's out on the road, and we know he only has a few weeks to, like, get this sales call thing done.

Steve

So, like, this should be, like, July or maybe August. And.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And yet it looks like October in Iowa or wherever the hell they are. It's very strange.

Steve

I didn't understand that. Other than that. That's just when they were filming it. And so that's what it. Deal with it, you know, whatever.

Steve

Who cares? But it was, like, very incongruous to me.

Nic

No, no. Foliage consultant in the. In the credits.

Steve

Very disappointing.

Nic

Yeah. Yeah. So. So they're enjoying a nice fall July 15th day.

Nic

Nice autumn, crisp July 15th day in Ohio. And they end up hitting a deer in Richard's car. Brutal.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

And the deer, for some reason, they felt, well, we can't just leave it here.

Steve

Why? I don't know. They should have just left it there and driven off.

Nic

Called animal. I don't know.

Nic

I mean, that's not an. That's a yp. I'm sorry.

Steve

Like, not dealing with that.

Nic

Can't do that.

Steve

Not dealing with that. I mean, this is not my method of hunting.

Nic

Right. So their solution is we're going to put the deer in the car in the trunk. Oh, no.

Nic

We're going to suit.

Steve

The cases must be in the trunk. The plastic bag wrapped in duct tape must be in the trunk.

Nic

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Nic

You don't want that to. That's all dusty. You don't want that to mess up the back seat. If that deer had called shotgun, I swear they would have put it in the fucking front seat. So the deer is in the backseat of the car as they continue their drive.

Nic

And. And funny stuff between Richard and Tommy. I'm not sure if we're quite to the singing yet, but the scenes of them in the car are very enjoyable.

Steve

Yeah. And I think this is where they.

Nic

So they go in first and they're trying to make a sale to this guy who's really like one of the funnier minor actors in the movie. That bald guy who looks like Jeff Dunham's old man puppet. Like, he has this very.

Steve

Yeah, so it's the guy with the guarantee on the box. Right, okay.

Nic

And they end up. Richard says, you know that thing in the car? Tommy's like, why are you in a hurry? Another thing in the car. It's not an air freshener.

Nic

It's a deer that we hit. And the guy tells Richard, you're a smug, unhappy little man. Whatever. So they end up driving off. And I think while they're driving, Tommy's looking at his hair in the mirror because he had mashed his hair upwards in stress during the last attempted sale.

Nic

And he sees that the deer has come to life and it starts kicking around, just punching through every part of the car, just absolutely destroying it.

Steve

Super classic scene of 90s comedy. The deer just destroying the car and, you know, triumphantly standing on top of it and then, you know, runs off just fine. And of course, you know, Richard is. My car is totally destroyed.

Steve

And Tommy is like, that was awesome. It's just. But sorry.

Nic

Sorry about your car.

Steve

So.

Nic

God, it's rough to be a car in a road trip movie. You're not going to come out unscathed. You're going to be very much scathed.

Steve

Right. So now they're in the hotel.

Steve

Yes, that's the thing. So they're in the hotel and he's got the window open and there's moths coming in. So many moths. It's so funny. 100 moths in this place.

Steve

I don't know what Midwestern moths are like, but apparently that's. That's what they're like. So they're going in and, you know, Tommy gets a phone call from Michelle. She's like, called him back or whatever. But Richard's being the dick and he's like, I'm going to go, you know, get these moths with this vacuum.

Steve

You can't leave the window open. You can't do this, you can't do that. And so. Yeah, but they. That's when he does these.

Steve

Tries to cheer him up. Tommy tries to cheer Richard up. Richard, fat guy in a little coat. And he's like putting. Trying to put on his jacket and kind of doing a little.

Steve

The fat guy in a little coat. But then he like Richard and he reaches and it just splits right down the back. And I don't get the sense that Richard's got a lot of suits with him. You know what I mean? This.

Steve

This feels pretty. Pretty bad for Richard. But. Yeah, that's funny.

Nic

Yeah.

Nic

Fat and fat guy in a little coat, I mean, is really something that is ubiquitous notice among people our age. Like, we all know what. Even if you couldn't say off the top of your head what movie it was from, everyone knows that's like the Chris Farley thing.

Steve

Yes. And it's the sing song sort of thing.

Steve

Oh, yeah.

Nic

You gotta say it that way. Yeah. There's an official tune to it. So now we're kind of back on the road and they're singing in the car.

Steve

Yeah, that's right.

Nic

And there's a few different, like, radio stations. Kind of a funny thing with, you know, oh, this sucks. Like, put this on. Oh, this sucks.

Nic

Put this on. And then a song comes up that would probably be objectively lame. Like just a slow, like, 70s.

Steve

It's a superstar by the Carpenters. Yeah.

Nic

And they're both just like, I'm fine if you're fine with it. Whatever.

Steve

I don't. I don't know.

Nic

So they're both kind of like secretly enjoying it.

Nic

And while this is happening, the hood for the car just flips straight up. Absolute nightmare. If you're driving on the freeway so they have no visibility, they end up pulling off, shutting. It happens again. And they pull off and it fully breaks off.

Steve

That's right. Yeah. It's like hits a sign and finally gets pulled off. So they come to a stop, stop. And then Richard looks and he turns to Tommy goes, hey, when we stopped a gas this morning, I asked you to put oil in the car.

Steve

Did you do that? And he goes, yeah, and I use the right kind. And besides, motor oil would not have anything to do with this accident. He goes, yeah, but you can't latch the hood very well if the can still in. And it's like.

Steve

And so now this is it. Richard is exploded on and he's like, I'm ready to beat you up. Which is like kind of comically hilarious. The idea of David Spade, like fighting Chris Farley, whatever. But they get out and it's like, you know, I'm going to fight you.

Steve

I'm not going to fight. Oh, he's just a little guy. He's worried, like, okay, tons of fun, let's go. And they're just like, you know, insulting each other, yelling, and they give you a free shot.

Nic

One of my favorite fight things.

Steve

Absolutely. I give you one free shot. But Spade gets a couple punches in and Farley's doing the whole like, ah, I barely felt it. Is there a breeze open? Is there a window open?

Steve

I feel a breeze. But then Spade finds like a 2x4 on the ground and just gives him one right across the cheek. And it's just, you know, kind of knocks him out. And I love. He goes, they've pulled over by a prehistoric forest.

Steve

And Spade drops it to her, goes, hey, prehistoric forest. Cool.

Nic

So after the fight, now we're at the diner here. And one thing we didn't talk about at the diner that's really funny is Farley, who'd been hit by the two by four by hacksaw. Jim Spade has clearly this red mark on the side of his face and he's like, richard, is there anything on my face? It really hurts right here. And he's kind of moving his hand along the line, length of it.

Nic

Not here so much. Like he moves it up or here.

Steve

Not the neck, not the head, top of it, but right here.

Nic

But right here we're just like, no, that's good, nothing's wrong.

Steve

To which the waitress then walks up and goes, oh my God, what happened to your face, Richard?

Nic

I knew it.

Steve

So she tells him that it's only Spade gets a shrimp cocktail. He's like, all they got is cold stuff and desserts because the kitchen's closed. But Tommy's like, I could really use some chicken wings. That'd be really great.

Steve

And she's like, nope, sorry, they're cold. Closed. And he's like, could you check? And she like stands her and goes, yeah, let me check. Yep, closed, which is great.

Steve

But he kind of starts talking to her and he talks to her about like, why he's bad at being a salesperson and like why, how he screws up and. And again the car to sort of reference the Lenny of from a Mice of Men. Let Reference that I made earlier is very much about this little dinner roll that he takes. And he, you know, destroys, you know, because he gets so excited. And she goes like, man, you're sick.

Steve

But then she's like, let me go see if I can turn those friars back on and get you some chicken wings. And Spade recognizes. Richard recognizes, like, like, oh, wait a minute. That you just totally pulled a 180 on her. Like, how.

Steve

How'd you do that? You know? And he's like, well, I don't care. And he even says, like, doesn't matter if we get the wings. We still got that.

Steve

That meat lovers pizza in the trunk. Yeah. And which. That must be why the deer didn't go in the trunk. But no, like, so.

Steve

So he's like, no, no, no, like, like, Richard sound like, hey, dude, this is how you. This is how you sell. Everybody's got to know their. Figure out their own way that they do it. This is how you do it is just.

Steve

Just, you know, talk to people yourself. Talk to people, read them, tell them what they need to hear. Like, you can do this. And so this is when. This is when they then go to the.

Steve

The salesperson who they're walking around.

Nic

Right? That's right.

Steve

Right. He says, I need a guarantee on the box.

Steve

I gotta have a guarantee on the box. And, you know, at first there, he's like, nope, sorry, guys. Bye, bye. And they're gonna leave. And then Richard looks, Tommy goes, chicken wings.

Steve

Chicken wings. You know, and he's like thinking about it. And that's when he says, hey, Tom. You know, I remember the guy's name, like, Ted or something. He's like, let's think about for a second.

Steve

Why does somebody put a thing on the bug Guarantee on the box. He's like, I'm listening. You know, and they love the line. I don't remember the whole speech, obviously, but he says something about like, you know, it's probably because they know they just sold you a guaranteed piece of shit. If you want me to take a shit in a box and put a guarantee on it, I can do it.

Steve

I got spare time. But in the meanwhile, you might want to consider buying a quality product for me. And it's like, it's really. It's a good sales pitch. And the guy buys it and he's like, okay, I'll buy from you.

Steve

And it's like, boom, right? This is like, this is revelatory, right? They've made a sale. You know, Tommy's figured out how to. To talk to People and it really kicks off the rest of this thing.

Steve

But before that, we go to that evening, they're back at the motel, or a different motel probably than they were before with the moths. But you know, they're there to talk about. They want to celebrate. Like, Tommy's like, oh, my God, this is amazing, right? And he's like, I'm going to go get a pizza.

Steve

The only choice I have to make.

Nic

Is like, this is. After that, I think, yeah, this is right. So, yeah, so they. He sells the guy the guarantee fairy thing.

Steve

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole guarantee.

Nic

What if she's a crazy clue sniffer? Build model air plane. She says, but we don't buy it, right?

Steve

So, yeah, you know, your daughter's knocked up. And I've seen it a hundred times. Like, the whole thing is good.

Nic

Celebrating at the. Celebrating at the motel, right?

Steve

So Richard, or so Tommy goes to leave to buy pizza. He's going to get a pizza. And Richard goes to close the blinds or the drapes or everybody notices there's this young woman down by the pool. I got to tell you, the girl at the pool in Tommy boy is a core memory for me. Like, this is definitely ingrained on the old cortex.

Steve

But, you know, Tommy walks by and you can hear Richard, he's says like, tommy, Tommy, leave her alone. Don't give her the gym thing. And sure enough, he's walking up there and goes, hey, you know where the weight room is? I'll figure it out. Cool.

Nic

You know, his posture that he adopts when he walks up to her is so funny.

Steve

It's so like trying to suck in the gut, be real broad shouldered, whatever. She's like, no, I don't know, like. So, yeah, so she decides she's gonna jump in the pool. Richard's watching her from the hotel room, and she decides she's going to take all of her clothes off before getting the pool.

Steve

Which is definitely something you do do in movies in motel pools because it happens in vacation as well. But like, you know, I don't know why this is something.

Nic

And it wasn't a luxury. It wasn't like this is the. The Roosevelt or the W or some fancy roadside motel sub.

Nic

La Quinta, you know, nameless motel.

Steve

But yeah, sure enough, he's watching her and he's like, yeah, nobody's around. And he's like, speaking of nobody's around. And you hear the zipper, right? Telltale sign of the zipper, she jumps in and you know, whatever.

Steve

And that's when Tommy comes. Comes back. And so he so Richard has to dive back into bed, cover himself up in the covers. And of course, Tommy knows right away what was happening. And so he, he makes a lot of comments about, like.

Steve

And, oh, you were reading papers. The papers are over here, like, and it's like all this stuff about, you know, who's your favorite little rascal? Is it Spank? Yeah, like all this.

Nic

Oh, that's a pretty girl at the pool.

Nic

I wonder if she dates one of the Yankees.

Steve

Yankees, yeah. And I love the one where they're. They're in bed that night and still going on and on, and he just in the dark, Tommy just goes, sinner. I just love that so much.

Nic

The scene of them both in bed and him still doing the jokes. I can really relate to that. With your friends in high school, if you're all staying over somebody's house or roommates in college or whatever, just where you're kind of delirious, falling asleep, keeping the joke going. Freddy Krueger is going to kill us in our dreams if we don't keep this joke going. We have to do it.

Nic

Yeah, that was, that was very good. Okay, now here's a beef here with the, with the movie. All right, so after, after this scene, which is great, we're back on the road and where things are looking good because we made a sale and I think we get. We get a little montage of, you know, them doing well while this song plays. The future so bright.

Nic

Wear shades.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

Nobody in the whole fucking sequence is wearing shades. There's not a single pair of sunglasses in there. There's not.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

If you're right, like Google Maps for everywhere there's driving. There's no Sunglass Hut anything. Nobody has shades on. I don't understand it at all.

Nic

Like, the music selection in this movie sucks ass. It's compared to Happy Gilmore.

Steve

You know, it's like, oh, they.

Nic

This one is just. It's so like arbitrary.

Steve

Yeah. And it's interesting because I feel like a lot of the music choices felt like they were trying to appeal to people our parents age in the movies. Really was trying to appeal to kids our age. You know, this was a movie for 15 to 25 year olds, not 35 to 55 year olds.

Nic

You know what I mean?

Steve

So it's just. It was an interesting choice at the time. I do think that, you know that I think maybe more so. Right. The point of using that song is the Future is Bright and they're just trying to do that.

Steve

But I get what you're saying, but.

Nic

Come on there's other bright future songs.

Steve

Hey, they both just be wearing sunglasses in one of the moments in the car, right? Like, I mean, I swear to God.

Nic

God, like, how easy is that?

Nic

You're in a convertible driving around during the day.

Steve

Yes, exactly. So, yeah, so they're making sales. We kind of get this like, you know, the flip negative montage from all the no's from before now. Yeses.

Nic

Right.

Steve

So they're getting it. And actually, I think there's. This is where at one point, David Spade, Richard is like finishing a phone call on a pay phone at a motel. And he's like holding like donuts and coffee or whatever.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

And he makes the sale. And. And he's like, you know, awesome. And he goes to like.

Steve

And he knocks on the door instead of just opening it. And Farley. Or, you know, Tommy's inside sleeping. He's like, housekeeping. No, trying to sleep.

Steve

Housekeeping. You want me to flip over your pillow? No, no. Trying to sleep. Thank you very much.

Steve

Housekeeping. Want me to jerk you off? What kind of hotel is this?

Nic

That's another thing. I mean, the housekeeping in the David Spade voice.

Nic

Like, we did that all the time. Someone's in the bathroom. That's what you do. You knock on the door and you do that to them.

Steve

Oh, man.

Steve

But, yeah, but they basically, he tells him. Richard tells Tommy.

Nic

Hit it.

Steve

Yeah, we hit our goal. We made the last sale.

Steve

Like, we're good. Let's go back home, basically. And they're going to go home and, you know, be welcomed home as heroes. Unfortunately for them, Paul has another idea. So Paul has decided that basically Paul and Beverly.

Steve

I think there's a previous scene where they are talking and they want the factory sold. If the factory is sold, then the shares that Beverly has in Callahan are worth a ton of money and they can walk away with cash and not have to worry about this business that's, you know, supposed to continue.

Nic

They're not publicly traded shares, so the company has to make a decision to sell. Otherwise she's stuck holding them just with.

Steve

The, you know, the shares.

Nic

But no, they have value. But there's no money. There's no cash.

Steve

There's no cash. Exactly.

Steve

And so. So Paul sneaks into Michelle's office. And we know Michelle does not use. She's in charge of shipping and receiving, but she does not use filing cabinets. She doesn't file in cabin.

Steve

She has a system that she uses. She's got piles of things everywhere. She's got the pneumatic tube thing, which is great, but she doesn't use filing cabin. So he goes into the computer and basically switches. I mean we really only see him do like one where it's like he changes like a thousand to 100 for the quantity.

Steve

And then it was like overnight express. He changes it to two week shipping or something like that. So he's screwing things up. But apparently he screwed up a ton of them because when Spade and Farley show up, it's like there was a huge problem that should be receiving. Like all of the orders are wrong.

Steve

All of them.

Nic

So all their work. And he was like, well, I could fix this. And they're like, no, like they all cancel.

Steve

Half of them are canceled already and whatever.

Steve

But I'm sorry, when did Paul have enough time to do that?

Nic

When did he learn the system?

Steve

There's that. And he was not in that office alone because we see him like close the blinds and then sit at the computer, do a couple things and then Michelle comes in and it's like, so he had enough time to change all the orders that. It's just bizarre to me that, that that's sort of this really incredibly important plot point and like kind of doesn't really work necessarily.

Steve

But yeah, so, but Paul tries to screw everything up and well, note Paul does it turns out, really screw everything up. And now Michelle is, is basically going to. I don't know if she's getting fired or she's going to quit or whatever, but she's like packing up her shit in her office and it's like, I know this was huge. And Tommy's kind of like, yeah, this was like really big. He's like really upset, but he's trying not to sound upset, but he's still.

Nic

Saying things, still seeps through that he does blame her. And I mean from his perspective, knowing what he knows and how big of a blow this is to everybody, not just to him, it is like, you know, a reasonable way to feel.

Steve

And at this point nobody but the audience really has any reason to suspect Paul and Beverly. Like Michelle did see them like kind of arm in arm at the festival or whatever it was, but that wasn't that weird. It was just a little weird.

Steve

You know, she didn't see them kissing or any of that stuff. So. So we don't really have any reason to think that any. There's any sabotage going on or we know rather, but they don't. Like the characters have no idea that anything would be going wrong.

Steve

This would just have been a mistake and she's just dumbfounded she's like, this doesn't make sense. I put the orders in, right. I don't know what happened. This doesn't make any sense. But she doesn't have an answer.

Nic

And the board members, they were kind of saying. Or the other executives were basically like, you know, 24 hours from now or tomorrow at 6pm we're all out of a job.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

And then Michelle, after, you know, Tommy kind of blames her, she walked out and she quit. And that, that gets my big whoop of the movie.

Nic

That is a zero stakes decision if you were going to lose your job the next day anyway.

Steve

It's a message, sending a message, something. I don't know. They're just driving down the road. We don't really know where.

Nic

Okay.

Steve

And Richard's drunk. He's drinking in the car. He's got beers. He's drinking the car.

Steve

Tommy's not drunk and he's the one driving. But still he's like, Richard, like, you can't drink in the car. The car smells like beer. Like, nobody's going to believe I'm not drinking. And sure enough, enough, like some cops kind of see him driving and they, you know, pull up behind them and kind of camera, why.

Steve

But he starts to draw. Oh, no, that's right. He just decides to start driving erratically because he's like, I got this idea, like the cops, like sort of pull him over. He's like, I got this and I learned from my dad. So he really starts going wide, you know, big, big all over the road, whatever, and ends up turning off the road.

Steve

And he gets out and he says, just, he says to Richard, hey, when I stopped the car, jump out, just screaming, just, just get out of the car. Screaming, he gets out and Tommy's like, bees, bees, they're everywhere. Bees, whatever. And luckily for them, the cops have pulled them over. Both allergic to bees.

Steve

Who would have thought? Yeah, what a, what a wonderful happenstance for Tommy and Richard, because anybody not allergic to bees would kind of wait for a second and go, yeah, okay, come over here, pal. We're going to arrest you now for the radically wild driving you just did.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

But no, they get completely away.

Steve

But they've come to a stop underneath a big Ray Zelinsky Auto Parts sign, a billboard, right? And that's when Tommy goes. That's the answer. And it doesn't even really. It's not really 100% clear what he's going to do.

Steve

But I think, I think his initial idea is just.

Nic

Well, he had mentioned earlier they saw an ad on tv.

Steve

Oh, yeah.

Nic

And Tommy is kind of talking about like, I think I could get through to this guy basically in his head.

Steve

Like, I'll, I'll convince him that he should keep the factory open.

Steve

I think that's what it is. Right. Like they'll still sell the company because Tommy can't stop that because he doesn't have his shares. The bank. The bank took his shares.

Nic

Right.

Steve

Loan or something like that. Which is like, again, if they got the loan and whatever, I don't know. But I feel like he should either have the money they need or he should have his shares. The fact that he has neither is sort of a little weird, but I.

Nic

Can'T imagine that that big. Tommy didn't have assets outside of his company stock. In his home, like, yeah, he for sure had lake houses, he had four plexes. He had all kinds of. That could have been leverage.

Nic

But so they have to get to Chicago and this is a flying situation. They're not going to get their own time driving because they're going to get.

Steve

There next day by 6pm and they.

Nic

Go to the airport. Okay, give me your first flight to Chicago.

Nic

It's kind of a funny scene. David Spade going back and forth with a clueless gate agent who's kind of like, well, you know, I can get you a 345. He's like, that doesn't get us there in time. I can get you a flight coming back from Chicago. You know, so he got to be addicted to people.

Steve

People.

Nic

And the idea that they get in the airport is they. I think they probably tipped off some flight attendants for their uniforms.

Steve

Weird.

Nic

They didn't really say what it was.

Nic

It was just like, do you have any cash?

Steve

They follow a couple flight. Yeah, yeah. Tommy asks, do you got any cash? They follow a couple flight attendants and then they're dressed in flight attendants uniforms.

Steve

So somebody had a Chris Farley sized flight attendant uniform just on them because.

Nic

The people weren't noticeably like both of their sizes.

Steve

This is a John Candy Bill pulled Pullman in Spaceballs thing where they needed to have like the right sized people for them to steal the outfits from. But Right. Didn't work here.

Steve

It was very strange.

Nic

I will say though, this concept should have been the movie then them like pretending to do something like that because I think it's a richer, it's a richer premise than the rest of it. Like I would love to see them. Or if they're like con people like pretending to do different jobs to try travel, you know, with no money or whatever. But there was a lot of really funny stuff with this.

Steve

That's true. We should back up Jessica. This is an important piece. Before they go to the airport, Michelle is at the airport and she sees Beverly and Paul and they are full on making out. He's grabbing her ass, like, the whole deal.

Steve

And that's when she calls her brother, who, you know, we heard moved to Cuyahoga Falls or something like that, but it's like a cop. And so, you know, she basically like context. But we don't really see much more of that. But we know now Michelle knows Paul and Beverly are not who they seem to be. Right.

Steve

And so Farley, Tommy and Richard get to Chicago. It's. It is a. It's a funny stuff that happens on the plane. The life preserve.

Steve

He grabs the child's life preserve. It gets stuck around his neck and he has to pop. It is really funny. But basically they get to Chicago and they got to go see Ray Zelinsky. So they.

Steve

They follow Zelinsky in, up the elevator, and basically Tommy just tries to convince him, like, hey, like, don't shut down the factory. And he tells him, I just want the label. I want your product name. I don't care what the rest of it. It's a premium product.

Steve

So when they get to the boardroom room doors, he says, since you're no longer shareholder, like, you got to stop here. Bye. Bye. And when they opens the door, Beverly and Paul are both in the room.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And Tommy's like, why?

Nic

What's my family doing in there? That's crazy.

Steve

No, that's when Michelle shows up. So Michelle shows up outside because they've been escorted out of the building.

Steve

She tells them Paul and Beverly are not. Whatever. I saw them kissing. So. What with his tongue.

Nic

Ew.

Steve

Doing mommy, you know, whatever. Yeah, not. Not his mommy. They're married, which means she was never married to Big Tom, because you can't be married to two people at one once.

Steve

And so Tommy gets this idea. He sees, like, a guy with, like, road flares across the way and the action news, you know, van or whatever that's there, and he goes, I got. I've got a plan. Like his William Shatner style. He straps a bunch of road flares to himself with duct tape and goes in and basically acts like he's going to, like, blow up the bank or whatever to get the news crew's attention.

Steve

They go upstairs and basically before the. The deal is signed. So Zelenskyy has not bought the company yet. Yet. Right.

Steve

They have not sold it yet. He goes up and he. With the action news crew there. So it's on live TV. Basically asks him to buy 500,000 brake pads from Callahan Auto to sell in his store.

Steve

Right.

Nic

He's appealing to his ego stuff. Yeah.

Steve

Because now he's on tv, he's got to look like, I'm for the American working man. Like, he's got to keep his Persona right.

Nic

Right.

Steve

Because the TV cameras are there. And so sure enough, he signs the purchase order for 500,000 brake patches. Like, that's obviously more than. Than.

Steve

Than you know, the company needs to, like, stay afloat. Like, this is fantastic. And even Zelinsky says, like, well, hey, in like 10 minutes, I'm going to own the company anyway. What's the difference? It's like, yeah, okay, sure.

Steve

But that's not the case. Yeah, right.

Nic

Well, so when Tommy, he's. He's in his, like, you know, like, suicide bomb vest, right? And.

Nic

And there's a. There's a good montage of. Because it's on the news, the news crew is following him, and there's people. You know, the usual thing where people are sitting at a bar. Hey, turn that up.

Nic

Whatever. And it shows on the TV in the bar, but it keeps showing them, like, turn past it. It's on the news. And they're like, what else is on it? They turn past it.

Nic

One of the women who sees it is sitting there with her husband, who's actually one of their customers, and she says, look at this human bomb on the news, which fucking kills me.

Steve

Well, then he goes like, oh, yeah, I buy my bike pads from him. I thought we were watching cartoons. And he turns the channel. Oh, my God.

Nic

So, yeah, he sold his. His 500,000 pads. And then he's right. Doesn't matter. It's going to be my company anyway.

Nic

So you're just giving me good.

Steve

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's this good pr, right? Yeah, yeah. But that's when Michelle has the, you know, the report that mentions, you know, that has the proof that Paul and Beverly were married together.

Steve

And the. Paul's wanted in, like, three states for different kinds of fraud. And pretty soon it'll be computer fraud because now they. They figured out what happened, right? All the orders is that he went in and.

Steve

And did stuff he shouldn't have done. And. And I love the little sequence of, like, the three executives or the two executives of the bank, whatever. It's like, doesn't that mean that all of Beverly shares are actually. Tommy's like, I do believe that's right.

Steve

Does that sound right to you? That sounds right to me. And it's a very funny little moment because they're all so excited that that's not going to happen now that, like, the company is, you know, that Basically Tommy owns 100% of the company, or I guess the bank owns half of it. Whatever. Like, they've all figured it out and they're all super happy.

Steve

And Beverly doesn't get shit. Yeah. So Paul tries to run away. Yes. Ends up on the hood of the car and like the crash test thing.

Nic

Yep.

Steve

Which. The brakes get hit so it doesn't crash into the wall, but he doesn't fly off of it straight because he would have just flown into the wall.

Nic

Goes in a crazy direction, goes off.

Steve

To the 45 degree angle and lands on one of the, like, seat testing.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Things were. Drops like a huge. I'm assuming, very heavy bag onto his crotch.

Nic

Right.

Steve

Destroys his marbles or whatever. But anyway, that's. That's. He then gets arrested from there. You know, security gets him, and he's getting arrested.

Steve

So Paul's getting arrested. Tommy owns the company. Beverly and Zelinsky flirt with each other. I'm sorry. Zelinsky knows she's married to the guy.

Nic

He's.

Steve

That's a weird one to me. Why he was.

Nic

But also the way he is. I probably figure, okay, he knows that he can do this until he gets what he wants and he could cut it off at any time.

Nic

Like, I don't know if he's legitimately, like, taken by her.

Steve

Yeah. I think he just probably wants to bang.

Nic

And then, you know, and, hey, you know, not. Not a bad choice.

Nic

But yeah. So. So they saved the day. They got there. I will say that the.

Nic

There was a part earlier where Richard's hair piece came off when they're following.

Steve

Zelensky through his testing area. Yeah. Yeah.

Nic

And Richard has a toupee.

Nic

So, you know, he's bald. And for some reason he has a very odd Stussy hat on for, like, the rest of the movie. I didn't get that, like, put a. Put a Cleveland Indians hat or just, I don't know, something like that. It was just kind of bizarre to me.

Steve

But it was 1995. Nic Stussy was so cool.

Nic

Oh, there's a Pac son. Right across from Zelensky auto part, baby.

Nic

All right, so they saved the day. And now we're kind of like.

Steve

There's just a little. There's a couple. They're like two scenes of sort of cleanup at the end, right?

Steve

Like, he gets announced as the new President Callahan at the factory, and everybody's super happy and everything, and. But of course, they refer to him as Tom Callahan Jr. Which is incorrect. We know he's Tom Callahan the third, but that's okay. But, you know, he basically is saying, like, how much he's family with all these people, and as long as I'm around, you'll all have a job right here.

Steve

It's a sweet kind of moment. Everybody cheers. But then when they. I think the final. Final right is.

Steve

And he's sitting on the boat by himself in the middle of the lake.

Nic

No wind.

Steve

No wind. And he kind of appeals to his dad, you know, like, hey, you know, if you could help me out here. I'm supposed to get the Michelle's for dinner.

Steve

And. And I don't have any wind, you know, whatever. And sure enough, the wind picks up, and I think that's.

Nic

And the. The jib.

Nic

Oh, that's swings around, basically smacks him in the face. And then he does the son of a. That's going to leave him mark. And then we're treated to the full song of the funk junkies. I want to hear it loud, please Listen to it.

Nic

Tell me how long. Give us a Holler at 2Dads. One movie at the show@2dadsonmovie.com. That's the number two and the number one. We want to know how long you are able to listen to the funk chunky song.

Nic

I want to hear it loud without having to turn it off.

Steve

Good luck, everybody. I do think it's funny that we get. Actually, he says that's going to leave a mark. I think he says it twice in this movie at different times.

Steve

And it's the exact same way that John Candy delivers it in Spaceballs. When he tries to get up from the seat and the seat belts on, he goes, oh, that's going to leave a mark. It's like very, very.

Nic

Oh.

Steve

Interesting.

Steve

The number of parallels between Candy and Farley is always interesting. There's so many.

Nic

And it was the other thing. Schnikes is the other thing he was saying. I feel like there was.

Nic

There was some efforts to try to get certain taglines to stick in this movie. That didn't really do it for me. All right, well, we're on review time. Steve, this was your film. Do you want to.

Nic

Do you want to fire away?

Steve

I'll kick it off. This was a ton of fun. I always. I mean, I've loved this movie since I Was a kid and, you know, it's a lot of fun.

Steve

It's got holes, it's got issues. It's got slow parts at only, you know, 90ish minutes long. It's kind of amazing sometimes, like, how much parts of it do drag. It's not a long movie, but it's a ton of fun. Farley is his at his best, I guess, basically, as I'll put it.

Steve

He's. He's funny, he's, you know, bombast, but he's also sweet and loving and it's just, you know, he's a great guy, great actor, perfect in this role. Obviously it was made for him. You know, I'm a three and a half out of five on Tommy Boy. I really enjoy it.

Steve

You know, I absolutely think it's worth watching again. I think it. It holds up as much as any kind of mid-90s comedy generally does. But, you know, it's. It's not.

Steve

It's not perfect by any means. But, yeah, I'm a nice, solid three and a half right there. Kind of in the middle of things.

Nic

Boy, I think that's. I think that's fair.

Nic

Yeah. I mean, I feel similar. Like, it wasn't that long of a movie, but there are parts of it that just didn't do much for it. And I definitely stand behind the cracker and caviar analogy because it really is like, if I'm rating this movie on how much I love Chris Farley and how much I wish he was still alive, that definitely gets a five out of five. But the actual experience of watching this, there were brilliant moments of Farley and then the other stuff didn't quite meet up.

Nic

Like, there aren't characters I really gave a shit about during this entire movie versus, like, a Happy Gilmore. You feel like, you know, certain characters a little bit more like Shooter McGavin versus Chubbs. Yeah, yeah. I think that the Farley stuff, though, is undeniable. So I can't rate it any lower than this.

Nic

David Spade didn't hold up for me in this, and I think he's funny. I like David Spade, but for some reason it just didn't hit as hard as it did back then. Maybe because we've evolved as a society to all just be meaner. So the funny, because they're mean characters, don't work as well. But I'm going to give this one two and a half out of five.

Nic

I think it's. If you haven't seen it, there aren't a lot of opportunities to see Farley doing better than this, so definitely watch it. But it doesn't stand as tall as a lot of the other comedies from this era for me.

Steve

No, totally fair. So that's, let me do the math real quick.

Steve

That's six, right? Six out of ten from us. That puts us right in between the IMDb number and the Rotten Tomatoes number. It's kind of in between the two. So that's good stuff.

Steve

So that was my pick. What do you got for us next week, Nic?

Nic

Yeah, so we're staying in kind of a, kind of a fun, goofy lane and we're going to meet a director who I think is very important during the era that we're covering in our film that we haven't, that we haven't seen yet. And this was actually his first feature film. It also stars a very beloved character from our childhood and someone who passed away in the last couple years.

Nic

He's been, you know, in culture a lot and I think this should be a lot of, of fun to watch. We're going to 1985 and we are gonna check out Peewee's Big Adventure.

Steve

Nice.

Nic

Paul Rubens, Tim Burton. Yeah, we got a lot of other.

Nic

There's going to be a lot of people who are the. Oh, that guy was also in this during this film. But I haven't watched this one in a while and I'm very interested to see how I take it now.

Steve

I, yeah, college maybe was the last time I saw Peewee's Big Adventure. It's, it's been 20 plus years for me.

Steve

So that's going to be a lot of fun. Very much looking forward to it. Can't wait to see the bike again. It's been so long right since Absolutely. That's good stuff.

Steve

So, yeah. Cool. So next week we will take a look at Pee Wee's Big Adventure. That about wraps it up. So if you like what you hear, and we hope you do, please consider heading over to Apple or Spotify and leaving us a five star review.

Steve

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Steve

Once again, this has been Tommy Boy, another episode of 2 Dads 1 Movie. I'm Steve.

Nic

And I'm Nic.

Steve

Thank you so much. For listening, and we will catch you next week.