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This book contained a map. A map with no names, precise directions from the unknown city to the secret Canyon of the Crescent Moon. So it did. Where are these missing pages? This map? We must have these pages back. You're wasting your breath. He won't tell us and he doesn't have to. It's perfectly obvious where the pages are. He's given them to Marcus Brody. Marcus? You didn't drag poor Marcus along, did you? He's not up to the challenge. He sticks out like a sore thumb. We'll find him. The hell you will. He's got a two day head start. On you, which is more than he needs. Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan. He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom. He'll blend in, disappear. You'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the Grail already. Does anyone here speak English? Or even ancient Greek? Water. No. Tank is a little fish. Make love in foreign

Steve

Movie. It's the podcast where two middle aged dads sit around and shoot the about the movies of the 80s and 90s. Here are your hosts, Steve, Paulo and Nic Briana. Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of 2Dads. One movie. I'm Steve.

Nic

And I'm Nic.

Steve

And today we are going to 1989 and we are watching Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I mentioned it last week when I picked this one for us. This is my favorite, I think the best of the Indiana Jones films. Really? I only consider the first three films to be extant to begin with. I'm not going to watch that Crystal Skull or Dial.

Nic

We live in the 80s and 90s. We're true to that.

Steve

Exactly. So. So yeah, one of my favorite movies growing up. I saw this in the theater when it came out. This was, you know, Indiana Jones in general was a huge part of my childhood, along with Star wars and a handful of other things I think a lot of people our age definitely grew up with. But Nic, I was your first viewing.

Nic

Yeah, I'd never seen this one before. I think there are a lot more of these movies than I'd like to admit. But yeah, so I. I'd seen the first couple Indiana Jones here and there and I don't know what happened. I just never watched this. I always considered it in my mind to be the new one. Oh, and I like Sean Conry. I like everything about this. I don't know why I never got back to it. I think maybe by the time I had access to it, I was kind of grown into like different kinds of action movies and didn't really go back and revisit some of this stuff.

Steve

Yeah, this is definitely more of like an adventure movie than like a pure action movie, for sure. You know, there's definitely action, there's lots of fights, and there's lots of different action sequences. But, you know, it definitely has more of that adventure feel. The classic Indiana Jones sort of vibe.

Nic

Yep.

Steve

But, yeah, in the intervening 36 years, I guess you just never got around to it, huh?

Nic

I never. Yeah. I mean, for the number of times I've watched, like various Steven Seagal movies, to have never watched this, I feel like I'm going to end up at a few levels down in hell if I were to die today. So I got to really start repenting.

Steve

This movie was also sort of a return to the roots for the series. Much in the same way that European Vacation stands out as a sore thumb in the vacation series because there's no Cousin Eddie. And having a vacation movie without Cousin Eddie is sort of like lacking Temple of Doom doesn't have Nazis. So to go from Raiders, the Lost Ark, which had Nazis, to Temple of Doom with no Nazis, to Last Crusade, where we have Nazis again, having Indiana Jones beat up and kill Nazis is like a major attraction of the series.

Nic

Yeah, for sure.

Steve

This really is like a return to the core of Indiana Jones.

Nic

And you know, again, as someone not familiar with this movies, I was pleasantly surprised by the number of Nazis that get like punched and shot and blown up. So it was nice.

Steve

Crashed into things and oh my God, it's fantastic. So, yeah. All right, let's jump into the facts on Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. This movie came out May 24, 1989. Good old memorial Day. Weekend big for movies. Running time 127 minutes. Rating of PG 13 directed by Steven Spielberg. The one, the only, written by Jeffrey Bohm, George Lucas and Minnow Mayus. I believe I'm pronouncing that name right. I don't know for sure. Starring, among others, but primarily starring Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. 84% of rotten tomatoes certified fresh. Critics did not have a problem with this movie. An 8.2 on IMDb. A very high score for IMDb. It won nine total awards from various award shows, including, I'll mention specifically one Oscar. It won the Academy Award for best effects Sound effects editing. And I feel like every Inanna Jones movie should win that just for the sound of punches in Indiana Jones. Oh, yeah, the whip, smack, sound of the punch is so uniquely Indiana Jones and so good on a budget of $48 million, which is a ton of money for 1989. Yeah, it did bring in 474 million for just shy of 10 times what it cost.

Nic

Crazy.

Steve

We'd have to look back. I think this in nominal dollars made slightly less than Terminator 2, but significantly more than its budget and slightly less as a percentage of its budget than Coming to America made. But it's like right up there with as far as like box office success with those two movies of the ones we've done. So yeah, huge hit. It was pretty inescapable. Inescapable. The summer of 89 again, another like T2. Another of those movies with like a ton of like fast food tie ins and you know, action figures and stuff just kind of all over the place. Indiana Jones sort of took over for at least, at least that year. Let's dive in. I'll go ahead. I'll go and kick us off.

Nic

Yeah, yeah.

Steve

So first of all, I just want to mention the creative team behind this movie. Right. You have Steven Spielberg directing. It's produced by Frank Marshall and George Lucas from a story and characters by George Lucas. You know, John Williams does the score. The cast includes, you know, obviously Harrison Ford and Sean Connery in top billing. But River Phoenix is in this. John Rhys Davis is in it. There's just some fantastic actors up and down, even ones that maybe Denholm Elliott. Denholm Elliott is fantastic. Love him as Marcus Brody, you know. And there's other characters. Allison Doody plays the beautiful Dr. Elsa Schneider. Also by the way, who she. The thing that I actually remember sometimes almost as much for. She played Wild Thing, Vaughn's agent in Major League 2. Oh, okay. And so she was definite. Definitely a favorite of mine.

Nic

Been in all the great sequels.

Steve

But yeah. So we start off in a flashback sequence to a young Indiana Jones was a member of a bench based the Boy Scouts it looks like or whatever similar thing. So this would have been based on the idea that generally speaking the Indiana Jones films, at least the ones involving Nazis take place in the late 1930s. That's sort of the ballpark of where his stuff. This must be about 19.

Nic

I think it said 1915.

Steve

I couldn't remember if it said so 1915, we're taken back to Utah and so Indiana Jones is. Is played by River Phoenix at this point. Very young. His hair I don't think matches the time period at all. It's like way too long for a boy to have at that. I don't feel like people were that cool. Yeah, about Long hair.

Nic

It was accidentally stylish.

Steve

Yeah, it was, maybe, but. But basically, we get this prologue sequence. We'll go into the whole thing. But I want to say just. There's something so clean about this prologue. It takes 10 minutes and it gives us the Orient. The origin of the hat. Yeah. The whip.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

The scar on his chin, his fear of snakes.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

All in 10 minutes.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And it's really impressive because I was.

Nic

Looking down, like, when this sequence ended, I looked down once, it kind of flashed into present day and was shocked to see how efficient that was. Because all these things as I'm going through as being the dumb guy, seeing this for the first time, being like, wait a second, I thought he didn't like snakes. Hey, that guy's hat looks a lot like his hat. And I'm.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

So I'm kind of following along here. But, yeah, I mean, a great way, especially as someone who's kind of, like, less familiar with the Indiana Jones lore, to just be caught up on, like, all this stuff and you're kind of like, oh, it makes a lot of sense. And it wasn't really crammed in there. I mean, it was very, like, efficiently done. It was pretty cool.

Steve

Yeah. I think it's really the. It does something some really good sequels do, which is both give you, you know, sort of fan service, if you are a fan. If you know the origins or you know the story or you know the characters. You get these little bits that are sort of fun, like, oh, that's so neat. Look at that. And if you're not familiar, it's just explaining stuff to you. Yeah. And I think that that's really great. It really makes it so that new folks to the series or whatever can kind of come in. You know, Indiana Jones is not a serial series in the sense that the events of one movie do not directly influence the events of another necessarily. Right. It's like an ongoing lore. And so being able to drop in, if you'd never ever heard of Indiana Jo, you could drop into this movie and get all the information that you need in order to enjoy it as we go along. So, yeah. So the prologue. Indy is in Utah with his Boy Scouts. They're just exploring caves. He stumbles upon some treasure hunters who are digging through one of the caves, and they find a beautiful golden cross with a long golden chain, which he immediately recognizes as the Cross of Coronado. I don't know exactly how old Indy is at this point. 17, 18, 19, in that ballpark. I don't know exactly, but he still lives with his dad at home, so there's that. But, you know, he's obviously been very well educated to be able to recognize an artist artifact like that. So instantly is, Is, you know, again, sort of an insight into Indy himself. He does not have a problem with a snake that's crawling on his buddy and says it's just a snake, throws it away. But he sends his buddy off to go get the sheriff and go get their, Their, their troop leader and like, you know, kind of tell people that they've. He's found some people who are like, robbing this, this, you know, site, basically. So he climbs down to steal the cross and he's almost away when he kicks something and it attracts the attention of the treasure hunters. And now they're chasing him. Yes. And it's. It's a fantastic chase sequence. It starts going down the hillside river until he's running near some train tracks. And it turns out there's a circus coming to town. Yeah. Because he jumps onto the train carrying the circus animals.

Nic

Such a cool idea. This all looked great, like the beginning of the movie as they're riding horseback, like in the flashback scene, all that just. It's beautiful. Like, it really sets it up. And then the colors and everything in this train sequence, there was a shot of it where it's kind of like directly from the side. And it almost looked like, you know, homage to like a silent film type chase. Like, it seemed intentional that it was filmed in a certain way to look like what some of those silent films look like because they didn't really use that angle otherwise. But so many things he could get into, like, okay, I'm being chased on the train. Well, what if I dip into a car? There's a lion here. There's all this stuff. Really cool idea. And just a great way to get that adrenaline flowing early in the movie.

Steve

This is also the first of many times throughout the movie where we have either fighting occurring on or involving a different kind of vehicle. There's super. Well, I'll mention them all as we go through them, but this is. Obviously, they're fighting on a train and they're. And they're sort of going. And he's, you know, getting caught by people and they're getting away from them and then punching, and then they punch. You know, there's all this stuff and he's got to fight a guy with a knife while a rhino in the car beneath them is shoving his horn up in through the. The roof and almost getting him in the nards. He falls into the. The reptile car. Yeah. And that's where we think maybe his fear of snakes comes from, because it is. He is covered in snakes and there's a few.

Nic

They're like in his clothes.

Steve

Oh, man. Kind of follow him for a little while. Yeah. And then, yeah, he falls through the ceiling of the lion car. And this is where he grabs a whip off the wall to sort of try to keep the lion at bay. But his first use of it actually gets himself across the chin. Now Harrison Ford, of course, has that scar for real. You know, he got it as a young man. But this explains the scar as far as the Indiana Jones character goes. Like, oh, it came from the first time he ever tried to use that whip. But yeah, but basically he, you know, is. Is kind of helped out of the lion's cage by the treasure hunters who think they've got him now. But he's able to get away yet again and get into like a magic car. It's like a caboose and it says like, Dr. So and so's magic caboose. And this is when the head treasure hunter is kind of like, okay, well wait, see if he doubles back, like, don't, don't all of you go in. Yeah. But he dives into like a trunk. But it's clear that he's gone into the guy's like, okay, get out of the trunk, kid. Well, apparently this trunk. I don't know if the circus. If the magic show takes place in the train car.

Nic

Right. Would it be rigged to drive through the floor?

Steve

Yeah, clearly he's, he's been able to get out of the train car itself through the floor of the trunk, which is interesting.

Nic

You just have to place the magic box somewhere.

Steve

Just. Yeah, I guess so. So, so apparently that's built into that train car to be impressive. And, and so he's able to get away. So he runs off and he's able to make it home to where he lives with his father, the Joneses. And yeah. And this is. We first hear one of our co stars here. We don't actually see Sean Connery.

Nic

Right, right. And he's. He's home and he, he has the cross.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

But then the sheriff shows up at his door.

Steve

Yeah. And he's. And he's excited. He's like, okay.

Nic

He's like, good. Hey, I'm a good guy. I get to turn this in. Like, because it seems like his motivation is like, this should be in a museum.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

Like, this should, should be for someone to, for everyone to See?

Steve

Or whatever.

Nic

And the sheriff like to his disappointment is accompanied basically by the treasure hunter crew.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

He's like, well, you know, these guys say you stole it, whatever. He gives it back. They immediately walk it outside, get handed an envelope full of cash from this other guy.

Steve

This guy in a white suit. Yeah.

Nic

So he's just learning like the dirty game of artifact hunting, I think.

Steve

Yeah, for sure. And, and so then the, the head treasure hunter who's got the brown felt fedora.

Nic

Yep.

Steve

You know, takes it off of his hat, you know, and puts it on. On the. Kidding. Say kid, you lost today, but you don't gotta like it.

Nic

Right.

Steve

And he puts the hat on. Which is our transition then to modern day or present day, which for us is like again the late 30s. That's when the Indiana Jones films take place. But it's now adult Harrison Ford, Indiana Jones who is on the deck of a storm tossed ship, we're told the. Off the coast of Portugal, I believe it says, and being punched and attacked and whatever.

Nic

Just getting the crap out of them right away.

Steve

Another vehicle on which we're having a battle.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Train to boat.

Nic

If your kid is approached by a guy that looks like that treasure hunter who puts his hat on the kid's head is like a. Hey, good job, kid. How quick before you burn that thing.

Steve

Right. I think it's just another indication to us that Dr. Jones, the father is not particularly.

Nic

He's not fan. Involved.

Steve

Yeah. In his son's life.

Nic

Where'd you get that hat?

Steve

What hat?

Nic

This fight on the boat. This is a great intro to the action of present day Indiana Jones and just, just you know, him beating a bunch of nameless guys and he. And, and in the end of it he basically turns into one of our former podcast subjects, Demolition man, and blows up an entire boat just to save like, you know, this artifact wasn't his fault.

Steve

He. He took, he flew off into the ocean and then you know, like some big thing fell over and burned the boat.

Nic

Okay.

Steve

It wasn't his fault. It wasn't his fault.

Nic

So his hands are clean.

Steve

His hands are clean. And plus the artifacts obviously way more important than the people. So. But yeah. But this is also good introd introduction to again, what I mentioned that that whip smack noise.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

That punches make in Indiana. I don't think it's ever, I've ever heard in any movie.

Nic

It's interesting if you're listening close in certain movies that the other sounds they lay over to enhance things. Like I've heard like a, like a Jaguar roar put over explosions. Okay. Like, things that add punctuation to it that aren't really the. The real life sound. So, yeah, that's really cool, the whip.

Steve

Smack sound there, but, yeah, so classic. So.

Nic

So he gets his artifact back to school, and he's back at his boring life teaching. It's kind of like his Clark Kent character, right? And all he wants to do is return this to the school. He doesn't have big stories about, dude, you wouldn't believe what I had to go through to get this. So, yeah, so he's. He's back there and he gives it to Denholm, Elliot, Mark, Marcus Brody Mark, character's name.

Steve

And he is the curator of the museum there at the college. They don't say what college it is, but I get the sense we're talking about upstate New York. It seems like just based on other geography, where he's easily taken to. And then. So, you know, let's think it's probably something along the lines of, like, Cornell, Syracuse, something that ballpark. It's probably an Ivy League. It's not like he's not at some community college. He's probably at a big school that has a museum.

Nic

He's not at Bunker Hill Community College.

Steve

Exactly Right. But before that, when he's teaching his class, he says, archaeology is the search for fact, not truth. If you want truth, you know, Dr. So and so his philosophy course is, you know, down the hall, and he makes a comment about, like, we don't hunt, we don't follow maps to bury treasure, and X never, ever marks the spot, which is going to come back later, of course. But, yeah, so he goes, you know, he tells Marcus about, you know, hey, I found it. I've been looking for this all my life. Marcus is super impressed. And of course, then Joan says, oh, we'll discuss my honorarium over dinner and champagne, your treat. Honorarium, of course, is what you pay to someone who's. Who's donated something to a. It's basically his fee for tracking down and getting the things. It's one of the ways he makes his money. Let's not pretend Indiana Jones is completely altruistic. He's paid to retrieve these things, but.

Nic

He'S probably paid an incredibly small fraction of the.

Steve

Of the value, right? Sort of like last week we talked about sneakers. You know, when you do the good work.

Nic

Yeah, exactly.

Steve

With the skill set that could do evil, you don't get paid as much for the good. He is. Goes to his office at the school, and there are just a crowd of students, like, beckoning and clamoring for his help with stuff. I don't know, with papers, whatever. I think a lot of them might just be young women who are attracted to him and want to hang out with him. But his secretary says, your mail's on your desk. You know, you got these term papers to gray, like, whatever. And he's like, okay, okay, I'll talk to everybody once. Once in, you know, one at a time. Intern, da, da, da. Goes into his office, which is really cool little office. It's like, clearly he's like, you know, built himself a bunch of shelves around the office holding all these artifacts and different things that he's, you know, gathered over the years, but apparently weren't good enough to go in Marcus's museum. They just sit there in his office. But he has some mail on his desk, one of which is a small brown wrapped paper package that says it's from Venice, Italy. And he mentions all venison. He puts in his pocket. Pocket. Instead of heading back out through the throng of students who are still screaming at his door. Yeah. He sneaks out the window because them kids and so. But as he does, he is approached by men very ominously sitting in, like, a black car, like, waiting for him. Doesn't look good.

Nic

No.

Steve

But they basically say, like, you know, Mr. Dr. Jones, will you come with us, please? You know, it's like, who are these guys?

Nic

I want to have money someday to just send a car of goons to like, pick one of my friends up. Even if it's just like, hey, you're coming over to watch the hockey game. It's just like, I want to send them there for that. Yeah. So he gets brought back to this guy's house who's like, maybe the benefactor of the school, One of the rich.

Steve

Obviously a really rich dude.

Nic

And this is my ignorance of the series. Has this character appeared before?

Steve

No, Walter Donovan is a character for this movie only.

Nic

Okay. So he's basically saying, hey, you like finding stuff? I like, quote, finding stuff, too. Don't trust anybody. Like, kind of a similar to the Russian diplomat sneakers. That's right.

Steve

Yeah. Don't trust anyone.

Nic

Don't trust anyone. And. And he tells him, though we found this etching, I guess, that is partially looks like it's giving us clues to the location of the holy grail, the cup that Jesus drank from at the last supper supper, which is supposedly to give you eternal life or healing or. I mean, this is the theory behind it, right?

Steve

That's the lore. That's the lore. And so, yeah, like, we're really close to it. And of course we learn through this conversation that they had a project lead, you know, on the job and sort of, they were looking in Venice and they think they might have found the second marker that they're supposed to be looking for. Again, this is all this. They're going, they're following the myth and finding pieces of it are real. So let's keep following the myth then. And you know, he says, well, you know, we. Our project leader is missing. We need someone to go both, to both continue his research, but also maybe to find him, you know, and so we thought we'd talk to you. And he, and Indy tells him, like, well, you got the wrong Dr. Jones. My dad's the grail enthusiast. I'm not into this stuff. And he goes, oh no, we're. We. That's who's missing. Which I'm like, you, Walter Donovan burying him, burying the lead his dad is missing is like so shitty and should be such a red flag about what kind of guy Walter Donovan is. But yeah, obviously Indy agrees, you know, to, to sort of like whatever. So he initially goes and gets Brody and Marcus. Brody and, and Indy go to his dad's house to look for him. It's been ransacked, it's been torn apart. And, and you know, Marcus is like, what. What could they have been looking for? You know, and, and that's my, that's my Denholm, Elliot.

Nic

Good.

Steve

It's pretty good. And he's got the, the rap package with him. He opens it up and it's the Grail diary. So he realizes that his dad sent him his Grail diary. All the notes, all the research, everything he'd ever done over his entire career looking for the Grail and interpreting signs and different clues are all there in the diary. And they've been sent away from wherever he was, as it says, from Venice to indie. And so he now knows for sure Donovan's not like lying to him. His dad is missing. He's seems to be in trouble. He clearly was in Venice recently to mail this thing. So he agrees to go and to look for. Look for his dad and will be greeted at the airport by was. We said by the airport, whatever. But will be greeted by Dr. Schneider.

Nic

Right? So they didn't know at this time. And you know, the, the common perception, especially back in the late 30s, you're being greeted by a doctor, it's going to be a male, right? So then, you know, it's this nice looking blonde lady who's like, oh, what's.

Steve

This broad doing here?

Nic

Where's the real Doctor, Toots? Oh, no, I am the Doctor. And that. And it actually wasn't like a big deal in the movie. It was just kind of a brief, like, oh, okay. Yeah. So then she takes them to. What is this place that she takes them to in Venice.

Steve

Right. It's a library, but it used to be a church. So it's like a converted church built.

Nic

Kind of on top of the ruins, potentially, of this well.

Steve

So it's like what we find out is that there's catacombs beneath the city that would be the church. So they would have used it as, like, a sacred barrier burying place.

Nic

Okay.

Steve

You know, whatever. Back in. In the 1200s or something. Whatever. But that, you know, the church that was built on top is no longer used as a church. It is used as a library. And so Dr. Schneider takes Marcus and Indy there. You know, is basically saying, like, you know, this is, like, the last thing that your father. When I. When your father went missing, he left this note where he was, and it just had Roman numerals on it. 3, 7, and 10. Just the Roman numerals.

Nic

Right.

Steve

And that's, like, all they've kind of got to go on. Indy notices right away the. The spot where she brings them to this stained glass window that's in front of them. He's like, I recognize dad literally drew this stained glass window right, in his grail diary. Like, this was an important thing. And, of course, water on the stained glass window.

Nic

But those Roman numerals, 7 and 10. Right.

Steve

And then they start looking around, and on one column, they see a three, and on another column, they see a seven. Never mind. There are other columns with other Roman numerals on them, but. But, hey, ignore those. Here's what.

Nic

But there is no confirmation bias.

Steve

Yeah, Exactly. Where's the 10? Everybody look around for the 10. So they're looking around. They're looking around, and Elsa's going this way, and Marcus is going that way, and Indy kind of looks like the floor. And he climbs this little, you know, one of those classic iron spiral staircases and looks down. And on the floor, of course, is the Roman numeral 10, to which he has to sheepishly admit, X marks the spot. Spot. Yeah, because X never, ever marks the spot.

Nic

Yeah. So. And this, like, as a viewer, I was like, geez, this is happening pretty quick here. We're. We're discovering the treasure very quickly. And then Indy takes one of those, like, stanchion holder things. Those posts and just hits this incredibly heavy tile three times. And then fully, like, produces a hole through to the floor enough for him to, like, move it out of the way.

Steve

I think it's marble, I think, which is incredibly hard. Right. And. And the. I think what happened is he's just trying to hit a corner. Because the idea is that if there is a way down underneath, just destroying a corner would let you sort of like. So that's what he does. But there's a great moment we don't. I don't want us to miss here where the librarian is like, like, stamping books. And just so happens that every, like, second or third stamp he does coincides with indie nailing this thing into the marble floor. Until the crunch sound of the last break. And he has to put the stamp down. Like, what's going on with my stamp? Yeah.

Nic

Him looking at his stamp as if, like, what's happening? I. Super strength here or something. I also say very funny.

Steve

Real quick, before we get too far into it, I want to say, like, if I were to be an incredibly wealthy person someday, which is, you know, probably not in the car cards, I would pay a pretty. Pretty obscene amount of money to own the original movie prop of the Grail Diary. It's one of, to me, one of the coolest movie props of all time. The amount of detail they had to put into it just so he could flip through it.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

On screen.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Camera on it. He's able to flip through it. And there are no blank pages in there. Right. It's page after page of, like, drawings. And, like, I would pay, you know, literally six figures if I had it, if it was that kind of wealthy to get my hands on the original product from the movie. It's probably in Steven Spielberg or George Lucas's house. Right. It's probably something one of them has.

Nic

Held on to in a drawer. It's not treasured right now.

Steve

Not to. Right. Not to be on the nose, but it is my holy grail of movie props. All right.

Nic

They end up finding a hole in the floor. He easily pulls it up. Is like, okay, well, there's a hole, so let's go down.

Steve

Right. No idea how far down.

Nic

And the doctor, to her credit, just said, says, lower me down.

Steve

Yeah, yeah.

Nic

So I like that. I like that. Go get him this.

Steve

She's just as much of a sort of treasure hunting adventurer as he is, which is great.

Nic

And they go down, like, onto a pile of skulls immediately. I mean, I guess they're catacombs, but there aren't normally, like loose bones on the floor.

Steve

You expect them to be like. Yeah. In alcoves or burial, something like. Yeah, they're just. No, they're just everywhere. They're just all over.

Nic

But good, good creepy stuff down there. We had some rats.

Steve

Rats. Oh, my God, Lots of rats.

Nic

He smelled in the water. He's like, oh, it smells like patrolling. There's some kind of leakage there or some kind of fluid there. And then he did a very cool thing, which is take a loose bone and wrap a rag around it, dip it in there to make a bone torch.

Steve

Right.

Nic

Which I think was a very cool device.

Steve

Very cool. But it also is clearly, at times, like dripping embers into the.

Nic

Kept dripping. And I'm like, what's going on? Exploding.

Steve

At this point.

Nic

At this point, they've introduced the petroleum. So it's going to blow up. So is it going to. From a stray drip?

Steve

Chekhov's gasoline?

Nic

Yes.

Steve

No. So while they're down there, they start going through.

Nic

They're.

Steve

They're looking for whatever they're looking for. They're trying to find this. They're trying this marker, and they don't know exactly what form it'll come in, but they believe it'll be buried with one of these three brothers that they believe is buried this. So they're just hunting for this particular, you know, casket or something. Right. They don't know exactly what it is yet, but they're going through. Meanwhile, we're shown back up at the top. Marcus Brody, who is kneeling over the hole, staring down into it. Yep. For some reason does not hear three armed men in patent leather shoes walk down a massive spiral iron staircase and across a marble floor, hears nothing and is struck from behind and knocked out.

Nic

Yeah, that's kind of crazy. Meanwhile, Indy, underground, has found the tomb that he's looking for. He kind of punches his way through a stone wall. He has some kind of like terminator level ability to destroy straight structures.

Steve

Yes.

Nic

But they find it pretty quickly and realize that the etching on this shield is. Matches the one that they're missing the chart from. So he very smartly brought down a.

Steve

The rubbing.

Nic

The rubbing? Yeah. So he can, like, get a copy of it.

Steve

Yeah. So he's got his brown crayon and he's got. Or whatever, you know, little etching thing and. And is able to, yeah, line it up and kind of copy the rest of it so that they can see.

Nic

Line it up perfectly.

Steve

It was. It was quite impressive, especially given the nature of everything going on. But in the meantime, the, the, the bezed m mystery men who knocked Marcus Brody out have gone down into the catacombs and have, you know, they know that, that, that Elsa and India are going and where they're headed. And they clearly know things that we don't at this point, this group, but they light that petroleum on fire. They toss the lit match. So when you first come down into the catacombs, it's like water, but it was once Indie broke through that wall. That's where the petroleum smell was. So it seems like wherever the guys are standing before they throw the match, that's not gonna light. That's just water.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

But they light it up. So now this fireball is heading down.

Nic

The catacombs, chasing all the rats.

Steve

Right. Chasing the rats towards them or killing the rats. And it sounds terrifying. So at this point, he now hands the burning torch to Elsa, flips over the. The casket, which I guess is probably made of stone, seems like. And gets underneath. But we don't see where the torch went or, or what petroleum it landed in. But anyway, it's gone. It just disappears. And I'm not even sure why that casket. It would stop the fire from burning the petroleum. It just seems very strange. They're still like in gasoline, right? I mean, isn't that like. Maybe it's just a thin layer of it. It's mostly water and there's like a thin layer on top, something like that, but it's a little funky. Anyway, they're able to sort of hide underneath the casket. And Indy finds a way out of the chamber while Elsa is being eaten alive by rats. But they both are able to exit and they come up through like a manhole cover until like a piazza where there's people like, eating and drinking.

Nic

I love that shot. Espresso, cuz like you, you know it's coming. But it's still very rewarding to see because you have this peaceful scene of everybody just dining al fresco. But you can notice this sewer grate like right in the center of the screen. So when they start to pop up, it's, it's, it's really good.

Steve

And he pops up and I think for the second of three times she kind of looks around and goes, ah, Venice. Which is great too.

Nic

So now we've got the, the Fezman are after him. Yes, Right. And they hop on one of those really cool wooden boats. Those look so, I mean, old school speedboats. Yeah, Just something about that look. It seems so much more fun. And there's, there's a great Chase scene here, driving the boats away. They barely squeeze through two boats that are being kind of, like, shoved into each other by tugboats. Yeah, there's some good explosions. These guys are really. I always feel like my hat's gonna fly off just in life.

Steve

Right.

Nic

We went to. We were in Cambria the other day. We're seeing the elephant seals, where you go out to, like, the vista by the. By the coast, and there's these elephant seals, and it's amazing, but it's so windy. So I'm, like, holding my hat on my head with both hands. During the scene where Indy's on the boat at the beginning trying to retrieve the cross, his hat is magically staying on as it's getting hit by these, like, you know. Oh, yeah, Deadliest Catch waves and everything thing. And then now these guys with the fezes. Like, dude, there's not even a strap. There's not a chin strap on those things.

Steve

There's also no bill, no brim.

Nic

That helps, but maybe more aerodynamic. But the fez fitters back then really were on another level.

Steve

We also have added. We've had the fight on a train, the fight on a boat. Now we're fighting on smaller boats. Little speedboat fight now. Yeah. Really great stuff. They're able. He's able to dispatch most of these guys. One of them is the kind of the one who threw the match we've been shown. Kind of the main guy. He and Indy are fighting as the boat has stopped working. Because it's gotten shot.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

And they are backing up into the spinning propeller of a very large, like.

Nic

Container, which is just shredding it up. And it looks so cool.

Steve

It really does.

Nic

These boats are just getting. Just mutilated. Getting pushed back into there. Yeah. So it's a matter of time. And this guy basically is able to convince Indy, like, you know, we're basically the eternal protectors of the Holy Grail.

Steve

Yeah. You know, if you don't, like, I'm ready to die for this cause. Yeah. So if you don't, you don't get us both off this boat, we'll both just die. I'm good.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And so Indy pulls him off. Elsa's driving the other boat. They drive him up to a jetty, and he gets off. And he. Yeah, he says it specifically. He's a member of the Brotherhood of the Cuneiform Sword, which has been tasked with protecting the Grail, you know, keeping it hidden, keeping it protected for, you know, a thousand years or whatever. And he says, you know, basically, Andy asks Him, like. Well, you. My father was looking for the. For the Grail. Did you try to kill him too? You know, where is he now? For some reason, Kasim, that's his name, knows that. Dr. Jones, Indy's father, is being held specifically in the Castle Brunwald on the Austrian German border. I don't know why he knows this. I don't know why he knows this and then doesn't know what we later find out about Elsa. As a fact. Yeah. Which I won't give away right now, but, like, why does this guy know certain things and not other things that it does not make sense to. To me. Yeah. But he sends them on their way. They, in fact, go to Castle Brunswald just outside of Germany, near Salzburg, Austria. And it's a rainy night and it's pouring, and Indy's thinking about, how are we gonna. How are we gonna, like, get. What are we gonna do here? We're gonna get in. So it's funny. He gives his hat to her, she gives her beret to him. He wears her cape, she wears his jacket. Just mix up a bunch of clothes, like, whatever it is. And he comes in with the worst of. Worst Scottish accent really ever.

Nic

Really funny.

Steve

Like, we hate to see the tapestries. Like, he doesn't sound like anything in particular. And I love that the waiter or the waiter, the butler or whatever who answers the door says, this is a castle. Of course we have tapestries. But if you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse. And he just goes, how dare he? And he punches him, and it's a classic indie move.

Nic

I do love his resorting to the punch as his second option. Like, he's the QB going through his progression impressions. And the punch is always the second.

Steve

Option, you know, so talk first, punch second, shoot if you have to. Yeah. But this is when we get a real look at our real villains of the movie. Of course, it's an Indiana Jones movie that isn't the Temple of Doom. So the villains are the Nazis. And so they're walking through this castle. They find this big control room. They're able to sort of view from above, full of Nazis doing Nazi things.

Nic

Whatever map in it. Yeah, Doing their strategies.

Steve

Exactly. And he even says, like, not Nazis. I hate these guys. And this is when we get the start scene, killing and fighting and beating up Nazis. And that's awesome.

Nic

It's. Yeah, it's fantastic. Thinking of this as kind of more like a kids movie. Like, it's good that they're Nazis because it's Right. It's kind of in a movie that's meant more for kids to see the guys actually get killed instead of just like, you know, gun butted and knocked out or whatever. It's. It's a little jarring, but it's like, oh, no, these are not.

Steve

Don't worry. Right. Don't worry about these guys.

Nic

Fine. There's plenty more with that.

Steve

There's not a lot of geopolitical gray area here.

Nic

No, it's. It's. It's nice that it just. You know what? Audience, we're going to do you a favor and make this nice and easy for you to watch these people get killed.

Steve

I do feel like, based on his filmography, Steven Spielberg is just a big fan of anything that. That beats up, kills or Nazis.

Nic

Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think even the shark in Jaws was. Was German.

Steve

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Nic

So. Yeah. So. Oh, and he's. He's reunited, right. With his dad, right?

Steve

So he does this cool move with the whip out one window where he was able to, like, kind of swing across to, like, a gargoyle, and then swing back to the room his dad is in and bust through the window, at which point his dad smacks him over the head with a vase. Yeah. Because he thought he was one of them. And he's like, dad, they take the door. Like, it's so dumb. But, yeah. So we are. We are introduced for the first time visually, Sean connery as. As Dr. Henry Jones, Indiana's dad. The diaries with Indy, and they're fighting out, and they get. Basically, they kill a bunch of Nazis. They shoot him. Henry is scandalized, like, oh, my God, Indy, what are you doing? But he's like, let's go, dad. And so they get. But they get to a place where, like, kind of the head Nazi guy, he's got the crazy SS hat and whatever, he's all. The black uniform is holding a gun to Elsa's neck, right? He's like, if you move, she dies. Give me the diary, whatever, you know, And. And, you know, put down the gun, everything. And. And Henry keeps saying, well, let. He won't shoot her.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

She's one of them. You know, whatever. And he's like, what are you talking about, dad? It's crazy. Like, this is like, they. I think we skipped the part. But, you know, Elsa and Indy have. Have made love together. Like, that's, you know, there. He's very much into this.

Nic

He's vetted her.

Steve

Right, Exactly. And so, you know, finally, he does. He puts down the the gun or whatever. And Elsa comes over and she's like, I'm so sorry, but you should have listened to your father. And she takes the Grail diary out of Indy's pocket and brings it to the Nazi guy. And we find out all along Elsa Schneider has been working with the Nazis.

Nic

Who would have thought?

Steve

So ridiculous. You can't trust anybody. And so. Yeah, so now they've been captured, they and the diary are brought to another room in the castle where sitting ominously in a chair, high backed chair, so we can't see him initially, who's there to retrieve the diary? Walter fucking Donovan, the guy who sent them there in the first place, also working with the Nazis.

Nic

It is kind of crazy because looking at that guy, once it's revealed that he's a Nazi, it's like, how the fuck did I not know he was a Nazi? He has the most Nazi face. Like I could have pictured him chasing after the Blues Brothers in the Pinto wagon. You know, know, like he just, he looks the part very well. So. Good, good little twisteroo there.

Steve

Yes.

Nic

And then at the same time now we have, I think that they're, they're saying, well, we're okay because our dude, Denholm.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

Is. He's gonna be fine.

Steve

Right?

Nic

You know, and he's with their, their other allies because.

Steve

Yeah. So in Indy, once they figured out from the second etching that Alexandretta was the name of the city they needed to start in, he sent Marcus to Iskanderon, which is the current, like the modern day city, on the same site where their friend Sala, who's an Egyptian man, who they've seen in other movies, he helped out in Raiders and stuff, you know, go, go talk to Salah, whatever. And here's the map that his dad had drawn a map. He just didn't know where to start. So now they know Alexandretta Iskandaron is where they should start. So he tore the map out of the diary and gave it to Marcus to go. So when the diary is retrieved, Donovan, Elsa notice, like they need a map. Yeah. And they know that this is an important, important piece. Especially since Elsa now knows as well as Indy does that Alexandra is the starting place. So they. But he says, you know, you'll never get him. You know, Marcus has got a two day head start. He's fluent in 12 languages.

Nic

No, Marcus, bro, kind of more bumbling through. And him and him and Salah end up in some trouble.

Steve

Yes.

Nic

And. And Salah's trick where he holds up a newspaper to the Guy, he said, like, look at this newspaper. And then punches him through the newsp. Oh, I really like that one.

Steve

Really good.

Nic

I really. It's not the same punching somebody through an iPad. You know, like, you need that paper media.

Steve

The crumpling is kind of an important element of it. Solid. Tries to hide Marcus in this, like, you know, looks like maybe it's like a. A shop or something. But it turns out it's actually just.

Nic

Like a Nazi truck.

Steve

A Nazi truck. And so, you know, these guys, like, lift up the tailgate, and it's. And I love it. It's like this specific Nazi desert symbol. Yeah, it's like a Nazi with Nazi swastika with, like, a little bit of sand in a palm tree or something. Like a little oasis.

Nic

They had alternate uniforms, just like the NBA do. They had to sell jerseys.

Steve

So back to Austria. Yep. The Jones boys need to escape. They've been left, because instead of being allowed to kill them right away, Donovan or Elsa tells Donovan and the Nazi, like, no, no, no. If we can't retrieve the map from Brody, we are going to need them alive because we need to know what they know. So they don't kill them right away. They leave them tied up in this room. And they all leave because Elsa Schneider, she is being requested by the Fuhrer himself to join some event in Berlin.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And Donovan, I think, as well, they leave them. And now Indiana Jones is like, you know, dad, reach in my pocket. I've got a lighter. Try to burn through the ropes. Which I'm like, this is the dumbest idea. So good Indiana Jones has ever had. Like, it's. How would this even work? If it worked, you're just gonna burn yourselves anyway. So of course he came. He can't burn through the ropes. He, like, gets burned by them, and it tosses the lighter away. And it's one of those classic Zippo Windproof. You know, those are. You can't blow those out. No, they either. They either run out of fuel or they just burn. And so the entire room is lit on fire.

Nic

And I do love that that Dr. Jones the senior is. He's kind of reluctant. He's not saying at first what happened. And it is kind of a funny thing that we see a few times throughout the movie where, you know, he's not as much of a father figure in the traditional sense. What was the term? You brought up a great term during Terminator 2 of John Connor was like a parentified child.

Steve

The parentified child.

Nic

Yeah. Is India parentified child?

Steve

I don't Think so. Because the only reason I'll say I don't think so is because it sounds like their issues as a, as a father and son occurred after his mother died. And it sounded like that happened when, when he was maybe a late teenager. And so I don't think it's quite the same. And also it doesn't seem like, like Henry has needed him the same way that Sarah needed John.

Nic

That's true.

Steve

So there's not that element. I don't think there is. There is neglect and there is, you know, sort of a withholding of emotional, you know, support and love and things like that. So there's. This is not a good healthy parent child relationship. But I don't think that particular element is at play. Mainly because Henry has himself been self sufficient, has not relied on Indy to do things for him the way Sarah clearly like needed John to like calm her down and like, do stuff so.

Nic

He just to make up for his bumbling a little bit. A little bit, yeah. So they're tied up. So we have, we have a really cool scene now. So they're tied up to the chair, back to back, right? And then the whole room is catching on fire.

Steve

Yes.

Nic

And they're kind of like trying to hop away from the fire and maybe, okay, let's hop back over here, up against this wall. And they end up hitting a switch which flips this wall into this other room, which appears to be a control room type.

Steve

I think it's the one they maybe saw earlier. Like the same kind of thing with.

Nic

The map and all that, but nobody saw them. So it was like it flipped quickly around back and they're just like, okay, so now we know it's either fire or whatever's on this side of the wall, like, what are we gonna do?

Steve

Right?

Nic

So there's some good, some good action there where they're turning back and then they're finally recognized and they're able to turn the wall back. So let's see, how do we get out of here?

Steve

Right. So basically like they're able to like stop the wall from turning with all the Nazis on the fireside of it or whatever. That's right at this time, about this time, Donovan gets word like a, you know, telegram or something that Brody has been captured. They have the map. So he tells the SS guy, go ahead and kill the Joneses, you know, or actually even, it's even a message from the Fuhrer or something like, you know, must kill the Joneses, destroy the American conspirators. So he is going Back in the castle to go get them. But of course, the room they were in is on fire, so they're being chased. But Indy and Henry are able to get their gear back because, like a good video game, they were just sitting. Their gear was just kind of in the next room. So they're able to get their gear back. He's got a satchel and a. His whip and everything else. And they're now trying to escape the castle. They end up in a room that looks like it has no exit. And I love. Henry's got this great line of, like, sometimes I just decide to sit down and see if the solution will present itself. At which point the chair he's on is like a lever, right? Opens a spiral staircase.

Nic

That was a great effect.

Steve

Indy, unfortunately, fell down a bit, but they're able to get out of the castle that way and. And get out to. It's like a boat dock.

Nic

Right. So they get to the boat area, and basically he turns one of the boats on and sends it down the river to kind of throw the. Off their scent. And. And then at this point, they're kind of motioning towards, okay, well, this is the way we're getting out, which we aren't shown yet.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

And the Nazis get down to the dock there. They see the boat going down. Ah, let's get in the boat. Instead of waiting until they got in a boat and started to pursue, they bust out of this crate in a motorcycle with the sidecar immediately.

Steve

Right.

Nic

They could have bought themselves another couple minutes.

Steve

How did they even get into it? How did they get into it? Get the thing closed, get into the motorcycle? It's so ludicrous. Too much.

Nic

Too much movie magic there.

Steve

But you're right. If they had just waited, they probably would have just gotten away. But instead, the Nazis now chase them and we're.

Nic

I love a sidecar, by the way. A motorcycle with the side car just. Oh, really adds to it.

Steve

Absolutely. And so now yet another vehicle type that we're fighting on. So we added motorcycles to the list. It's a growing list. But I also love. This scene, to me, is very. The vibe is very reminiscent of the speeder bike chase on Endor. In Return of the Jedi Eye. There's a lot of sort of elements both between how some of the Nazis are dispatched. One of them has a. He's got like this big stick, a flagpole that he uses to joust. One of them ends up shoving into the spokes of another one. And the way that that bike flips up here I think one of the, one of the scout troopers on indoor dies like the exact same way. He like hits something in the, in the bike flips. Very interesting corollaries and similarities between this motorcycle chase and the speeder bike chase in Jedi. But. Yeah.

Nic

And during this whole time, Indy's doing this amazing stuff to keep them alive and to fight off these Nazis. And Henry Jones, not impressed. No, he's. He's refuses to be.

Steve

Just holding impress or whatever. Yeah. And his umbrella.

Nic

Really good.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

So now they realize they have to go back to Berlin because that's where, that's where the diary.

Steve

Right. And Indy doesn't understand at first why do we need the diary. Marcus has the map and, and Henry explains to him it's not just the map. There's trials, there's these like three devices that you'll have to get past if you even get to the place. There's these three trials you have to get past. And I wrote down all of the solutions to getting past them in my diary. And he's like, well, can't you remember them? I wrote them down in the diary so I wouldn't have to remember, you know, so they have to go to Berlin and go get, go get the book back. And so we're treated to a very short scene in Berlin at a book burning celebration.

Nic

Book burning rally.

Steve

Elsa is there. She's crying because of course, you know, know she's not really a Nazi. She's just working with. Yeah, she's sad.

Nic

Getting paid by them and going along.

Steve

With everything you're doing. Exactly. But we're supposed to get this. I hate this part because we're supposed to get this like, twinge of sort of sympathy for her. It's like, fuck that shit. But she's crying about the book burning. Indy finds her. She's got the diary on her. Which is weird because she even mentioned something about taking it to a library or Donovan did, to like a museum or a library or something to like store. But she's got it on her. And so Indy's able to take it from her. They have a little exchange change and we don't see her again, I think for quite a while. But like, you know, basically he takes.

Nic

It from her pretty easy. He takes.

Steve

He just takes it from her. And then, you know, she's like something about, you know, I think this or whatever. Like, I don't think like the Nazis doing. Who gives a damn what you think? You know, they kind of. And then he got it. He's got her. His hand around her throat. All I have to do is squeeze. She says. All I have to do is scream. And then he's like, okay, off. I'm gonna leave. But before he can leave, he tried. He gets swept up in the crowd. Yeah. Yes.

Nic

And he ends up pulled into this group of autograph seekers who are all crowded around the biggest star of Nazi Germany at that time.

Steve

I don't understand what's happening here. Is Hitler signing books to then be burned? Why is he signing books at a book burning?

Nic

I didn't understand that, really. I just thought it was, you know, it's just a classic thing to, like, throw a goofy version of Hitler into a movie, you know, and it takes some of the edge off the. The symbology that we're seeing. And everybody doing the my heart goes out to you symbol.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

And stuff like that. But. But, yeah, that was.

Steve

It was Roman salute, I believe.

Nic

Salute. Right. Very light.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

Thing where, you know, Hitler autographs his diary, which I hope is not the reason that it's your number one. Oh, no, that movie prop of all.

Steve

It is definitely not. But I will say, though, obviously, it's number, like 5720th on the list of horrible things Hitler has done or true do. But signing an autograph in a pencil is just a dick move.

Nic

That's pretty.

Steve

That's a dick move. Way down his list.

Nic

But still, you're not Getting a gem Mint 10 if it's a pencil autograph. It's not hard to authenticate.

Steve

A sociopath signs an autograph of the pencil. Oh, that kind does. Okay, so.

Nic

So he ends up. It's very funny. So he has the diary now, and he has Hitler's autograph.

Steve

That's the important part.

Nic

The important part. He's like, I finally got it signed. Then they end up on the zeppelin, I think, Right.

Steve

So they got to try to get out of Germany. They go to the airport, and, yeah. They end up on a zeppelin somewhere. Adding zeppelin to the number of interesting vehicles. But, yeah, so they get on the zeppelin, and Indy is like, hey, we made it. We're good. And his dad, quite wisely, is like, when we are. When we're airborne, Germany's behind us. I'll celebrate with you. But before they can even get off the ground, our buddy who's been following along with Donovan and Schneider, the SS guy. I don't know his name. He. He shows up and he starts looking around. He's got a picture of Henry of the senior Joe Jones, asking people, have you seen this man? Have you seen this man, everybody's like, no, no, I haven't. No, I haven't. But, you know, Indy sees him and then follows a waiter and sort of like, I guess probably knocks him out and steals his outfit, whatever, but he's wearing, like, a waiter's clothes, starts asking for tickets. And the guy, the SS Guy, sees Jones, you know, Henry Jones, and is like, you know, like, oh, Mr. Dr. Jones, you know, kind of whatever. But that's when Indy walks up behind him and goes, tickets, please. He's like, what? He's like, tickets. And he punches him and throws him out the, like, window. Which I'm like, the dude probably should have died from that fall, but I guess he landed on a bunch of luggage. Yeah.

Nic

Oh, yeah.

Steve

And then it was like, why is there a pile of luggage? As the zeppelin starts flying away, the dude is sitting in the luggage that I would assume is supposed to be on the zeppelin. All very strange.

Nic

I don't know.

Steve

But all the other patrons on the zeppelin, in this, like, dining car, whatever.

Nic

They turn and look, turn and look.

Steve

He goes, no ticket. And they're all just like, oh, here's my ticket. Here's my ticket. Don't throw me out the window.

Nic

Really funny. Really funny.

Steve

There's.

Nic

What do you think Zeppelin travel was like? Like, did you have to get there three hours before it left? Did we. What kind of like, how far did they go? I wish I knew more about these because it's such a forgotten mode of transportation.

Steve

I've never been able to understand, and I've never really done the research, I'll admit. But where the. Do you sit in it? Because isn't the big oval football all filled with whatever gas.

Nic

I think it's almost like a. Almost like a hot air balloon basket. It's just like a little room that's underneath this giant thing that was way too small. So it's like the size of this room. Yeah.

Steve

But think about, like, where they were. That was. That wasn't. Like, that wasn't the bridge. That wasn't the flight deck. That was just, like, the dining room. And it was huge.

Nic

True.

Steve

I don't understand where the hell. And I feel like even the little, like, gangplank or whatever they had to walk up to get in wasn't going into, like, that little unit. It was like going into the silver thing. So, like, is. I guess some of it is where the.

Nic

I don't think so. I think listeners think. Yeah, Listeners. Zeppelin Museum. We're taking donations. We're going on a field trip.

Steve

I was Going to say, any Zeppelin enthusiasts out there? Email us at the show@2dads1movie.com the number two. The number one. And tell us how. Where the fuck do you sit in Zeppelin? I've never understood it. Please, we can move forward. But this is definitely something that has always bothered me about this and other movies involving Zeppelins.

Nic

I think, I think it's worth investigating because I would like to know a little bit more about dirigibles.

Steve

On this flight out of Germany.

Nic

On this flight out of Germany. But they're still concerned. They're on the zeppelin and they're like, we kind of got a zeppelin.

Steve

Turns around. Oh, right. He sees the shadows sort of change direction of the sun's on the other side. Basically. Basically. And so he realizes they're taking us back to Germany so they got to escape. So they go down and there's apparently like a. Like a cruise ship has a lifeboat, a single one, I guess.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

There's a biplane with a machine gun just attached to the bottom of this.

Nic

Perfect.

Steve

So they climb into it and you know how to fly this thing? I fly it, yeah. Land. No. And so they get into it and they're. They're going to try to fly, you know, continuing out of Germany. I don't know exactly where they are based on what happens after they land. I think they're over Italy somewhere. It seems like they are able to. They are basically attacked by a couple of German fighter planes. They are trying to fly away. And there is a machine gun like turret on the back of the biplane. And so Indy tells his dad, dad, you got to use the machine gun. You got to, you know, whatever. And he, you know, does a decent.

Nic

Job at first getting a couple of them. Yeah.

Steve

You know, I don't know that he actually even hits anybody, but he's like, you know, controlling the thing pretty well. But then blows up their own. I don't know what that's called, the dorsal fin, whatever, whatever that the vertically place placed, you know, Finn on the back of the plane is destroyed.

Nic

Bad move. And again and again passes the buck where Henry says, oh, it looks like somebody hit us. You know, we didn't.

Steve

Sorry son, they got us. So he's got to try to land, which he was. We hear. We've already been told India is not good at landing planes, but. But now he has to crash land. So. So they do, they, they sort of, they crash. They come down and then the, you know, the other jets, the planes keep coming at them and shooting at them and so they Gotta hide. So they go and they steal a car. And this. I feel like this guy looks like he's dressed like an Italian guy for some reason. That's why I think they're in Italy. But they steal this car. They start driving off a plane tries to follow them through a tunnel.

Nic

I love that.

Steve

Doesn't work well. Strips off the wings.

Nic

It worked better than it should have, like. But it's still, you know, ultimately ended terribly.

Steve

Yes. For the pilot, at least.

Nic

But, yeah, the great gag, though, of just the wings get. Instead of it just exploding when it hits there, the wings getting clipped off. And then he's just riding in the momentum fuselage of the plane, just kind of with this look on his face, like, you know, the Bugs Bunny when he steps. Or the. The coyote when he steps off the cliff and puts the sign up that says, like, oh, falls down really good. Because he then did fully explode once.

Steve

He got past the exit of the tunnel. That's what made him blow up up was leaving the tunnel. I don't know. Anyway, so that's one of two fighter jets down, but the other one drops a bomb, luckily not on them, but on the road in front of him, causing an enormous crater that they crash into. So they got to ditch the car now. So we've had biplanes and fighter planes and another car. What's next? So they end up running onto a beach. Yeah, it looks like. And it doesn't look good for them.

Nic

That plane is making another thing coming around. And it knows where they are.

Steve

There's no cover weaponry. Yeah, you're on a beach. It's got machine guns. There's no cover. And then there's this moment. And it was something I realized. The way I'd seen it before is different. So we see Henry's face, so Sean Connery's face. And what I'm noticing, what I noticed this time. But what I thought. I'll tell you what I thought was. Was different about it. We see the reflection of the plane coming, like, in his glasses.

Nic

Okay.

Steve

You see this little, like, line, and it's him watching the plane coming. I thought that was a tear for years. Oh, I thought we were seeing, like, he was crying this single tear, like, we're done, done. But he immediately figures out there's this massive, like, flock of seagulls sitting on the beach. And he just starts shaking his umbrella at them to send them up into the oncoming flight path of the plane, which has got to be one of the worst ways to go. Death by birds and birds and Then.

Nic

The way it showed, just all the birds hitting the plane and everything, it was terrifying.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

So he. He got Sully Sullenberger, and he had to crash into the side of the.

Steve

Worked out a lot worse. Worse for him than it did for Sully.

Nic

Certainly did. Certainly did. So, yeah. Great.

Steve

And.

Nic

And it was a good kind of like, oh, the old guy still got some tricks. Oh, you think I can't use my umbrella?

Steve

Remembered my Charlemagne.

Nic

Really good. So then we're still. We're still being chased by the Nazis.

Steve

Well, no, this. Well, so this. This. We'd go away from Indian Henry now. They've essentially gotten away. Like, they don't really explain kind of where they get to next, but they. They're away now. They're out of Germany. There's no Nazis following them right now. So we cut to where the. Where Donovan and Schneider are talking to. It says. It said, like, Republic of Hatay, which I haven't looked up. It must be a former country in the area, because I don't recognize the name now. But they are, you know, basically talking to, like, this crown prince of this. Of this country where. Because where they need to go the. The town of Iskanderon, and. And so formerly Alexandretta. And this crescent valley of the CRO Canyon or the crescent moon they're trying to get to is all within this country's, you know, border. So they're saying, like, hey, we wouldn't come here and just take this away, like, without compensating you, but we also want to make sure that we have permission to let go. And they offer this trunk of the Nazis, this trunk of. Of gold and whatever, and the dude.

Nic

Is just not into it.

Steve

He's like, whatever. But he sees their car. Rolls Royceville Phantom 2. Yeah. And he is just super into it. He's naming the leaders of the engine and the brand of carburetor and, like, all this whatever, and. And he goes, you know, the keys are in the ignition, your highness. It's yours, and I love it. He goes, you will have men. You will have horses. You will have camels and tanks. A tank or something. It's like, you're welcome.

Nic

Yeah, seriously, that went easier than they thought it would. But, yeah, definitely got that guy with the shininess of that beautiful. That beautiful, beautiful Rolls Royce.

Steve

And.

Nic

Yeah, so now we have tanks in the mix.

Steve

Right? So. So now Henry and Indy have reached a scander on. They've met up with Salah. Salah told them how Brody was taken, you know, and. And they start, you Know, going the same path, basically. Right? Yeah. They, they know where they're headed because they're all headed to the same place. They all starting in the same place. So they're following along and they're obviously moving faster than a big sort of like caravan with a tank and whatever. They can drive much, much faster than that. So they end up on a, on like a, you know, a high canyon and looking down at, you know, where the tank is coming through and stuff. And, and you know, Salah tells them, hey, they've got Brody, you know, in a car or whatever, and he's like, you know, Indy's like standing, I think he's like looking through a spyglass or something, which is reflecting the sun, which draws the attention. And the tank actually is able to shoot.

Nic

He's like, they can't see us, we're.

Steve

So out of range. Yeah, yeah. And the tank destroys their car. We later learn Salah's brother in law's car, he later mentions, but yes. So the car blows up. So now they have to like figure out, well, how do we get Brody out of here, you know, how do we move on? And so Indy goes to steal some, steal some horses and tells Solid to do the same. And Solid goes, I don't get camels. No camel. No camels. I'm not sure why. I don't even know the Indiana Jones movies I've seen. I'm not 100% sure why the no camels reference. I don't know if there's something in Temple of Doom I'm not remembering, but like, but yeah, like no camels.

Nic

Yeah, so. So they're kind of. It's always an interesting battle when you have people who are on foot or on horseback or something against something like a tank.

Steve

Right.

Nic

Because you think of a tank is like, well, this is indestructible. There's no way it's not going to win. But it's slow and it doesn't have good visibility and all these things. So there's ways that you're able to get an advantage over it.

Steve

Bad maneuverability.

Nic

And, and Indy ends up on horseback and reaches down. Like his ability to spot the perfect diameter of a rock from horseback in motion is amazing because then he just reaches down and scoops up this rock, shoves it into the gun of the tank, which if one of the side turrets, at least. Yeah, the side turret. Right. And if you've ever seen Looney Tunes, you know that if you fire it, then it just peels back like Elmer Fudd's shotgun.

Steve

Like. Like a. Like a banana peel. Yeah. It's very cartoonish, but that is what happens. It sort of like blows up and it causes a fire inside the tank and everything. And, and Henry, you know, in Indie, he's like, he gets away. He's got the horses and he drives off or. And Salah's got camels. And he's like, salah, like I told you, no camels. You know, like, what are you doing? You know, compensation for my brother's car, you know, and. And so. But he's like, well, where's. Where's dad? He goes, they have them in the belly of that steel beast. And so he realizes, God damn, his dad got captured. He's like, brody's probably in there with him now. I got to go back. So he's got to keep kind of fighting.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And we get this just. It's a fantastic action sequence. I'm not going to go into all the, like, you know, different pieces of it, but he is, you know, he ends up on the tank fighting. Henry is fighting inside the tank. There's just all this, like, stuff going on. The big bad Nazi SS guy is fighting him. At some point, the tank gets completely separated from the other vehicles and trucks. Or they kind of, I guess, go off to like, continue the. The search for the Grail. Meanwhile, Henry and everybody in India are fighting on the tank. And we get to just the whole tank we see, which is pretty amazing. And I don't know if there's anything in particular you wanted to, like, mention during this action sequence, but we get to the end where basically the tank is heading towards a cliff, like a big, big cliff. And it's just Indy and the SS guy that are fighting on it still, because the driver has been shot by a ricocheting bullet.

Nic

That's right.

Steve

Right inside. And so it's heading off that cliff no matter what happens, because it's not going to stop. But Indy and the SS guy are fighting on top. And Indy's hat flies off, which I think is important because you mentioned how in all these other situations his hat stays on, but the fedora flies off. And we see the tank go over the cliff. And we see, just like in Terminator 2 had a couple of bad dummies, a really bad action figure dummy of the SS guy holding on to the T tank as it goes over the cliff and bouncing around like a little, like a little GI Joe figure or something.

Nic

I did like the guy driving the tank. I think they made him like a totally different kind of character, you know, to be the tank operator because he was kind of. He wasn't in the uniform.

Steve

Like, he was one of, I feel like, because he was. The tank belonged to the kingdom of hate or whatever. He was a local Nazi. Yeah, he was a local because he was like the tank guy for the army and that was like their one tank.

Nic

He was. He had some good moves. I wouldn't mind like a sit in arcade where you like have to really swing those levers, you know, with like real physics to operate one of those kind of tanks. So. Yeah, so the tank off the edge and it explodes and that's it for Indiana Jones.

Steve

Right. And Salah and Marcus and Henry are all, you know, looking over the cliff and mourning the loss of. Of their son and friend. And. And you know, we're all like not 100 sure what's happened either, but it seems pretty convincing other than the fact that it's an Indiana Jones movie and they would never kill Indiana Jones. Yeah. This is not a George R.R. martin show. So he is climbing now up like a root, right? He's able to grab onto something. He's able to pull himself back up. No help from these men. Just sitting, looking over the thing to the point that he looks over to look at what they're looking at. Yeah, I love that.

Nic

Where someone appears behind me. Oh, what are we looking?

Steve

But yeah, so Henry's able to welcome him. Oh, I thought I lost you, son. Like all this kind of stuff and. Okay, let's go. Go. Yeah, let's go. And I mean, he's exhausted, right?

Nic

And Henry even was like, I think he made a comment about, oh, there's so much I. I didn't say. You know, it would have only taken a couple minutes. And then Indie appears and he's just like, oh, good, you're fine. All right, let's get out of here.

Steve

Not even. You're fine. Just. You're alive. No. Good. You're alive.

Nic

No. Like, no. Oh, okay. Well, now that I have this second chance, it's been given to me by life. Let me tell you, this stuff. It was kind of so.

Steve

And of course, Indy is sitting there as they're running off. He says, you know, why are you sitting? We're so close to the end, you know, whatever. And of course, I love indies. Fedoro kind of rolls off from off screen right to him. So the hat has come back. The hat has a mind of its own. But yeah, so they are now.

Nic

So they have to get the grail still.

Steve

That's right. So now they know how to get to the Canyon of the Crescent Moon. They know the Nazis are on the way too, but they have horses, and so. Let's go get the grail. Yeah. And, yeah, they. They roll up. It's funny because there's no trucks or anything outside side.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Which I kind of figured there would be. But maybe they deliberately, like, hid them around the corner or something, knowing that. That they might come. But sure enough, they get there. They. They are go into the entrance of this temple, and there is a local person being pushed, you know, at gunpoint, to go through.

Nic

Right.

Steve

The. The. The opening to the rest of the cavern or whatever, where we've been told, of course, Henry has told us there are three devices, three trials that have to be passed in order to get behind. And, you know, this guy walks in and he's holding a sword, whatever. And as the cobwebs sort of start to part, because the first trial, according to Henry, is called the Breath of God, they start to part. A. A huge, like, saw blade.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

Crazy. Flies through and cuts the dude's head off.

Nic

Because we don't. I don't know if we're even shown it. When he goes in there, we just see his sword get cut in half and then his head kind of rolls out.

Steve

Exactly. Although we are. We also see another body with a severed head as he walks in. But, no, they don't go rated R and actually show the head getting cut off, but show us that.

Nic

It's definitely shocking, though. Yeah. It's crazy to see that. I. The stuff that Indy. I wrote this down because Indiana Jones kind of, like, goes through the same tribulations as one of the bandits in Home Alone.

Steve

Okay.

Nic

Like, he's just kind of getting hit by booby traps all the time. And, like, having to avoid this stuff, he's a little more successful, but he's getting, like, a Marv level of punishment right throughout these movies.

Steve

So.

Nic

Yeah, so this guy's going through, and then, you know, the second his head gets cut off, they're like, all right, who's next? Like, next person through there.

Steve

Yep.

Nic

And I think this is when Indian crew.

Steve

Yeah, this is when some. Some Nazis will know they. They've been watching this, but the Nazis. Some Nazis show up behind them. So I do think that, like, you know, they'd hidden the. The. The trucks or whatever around the corner or something and been told to watch the entrance when they go in. Some. Some guys follow them in and at gunpoint, bring them into to where Donovan and Schneider are and and so basically, Donovan tells Indy, you're going to go get the Grail for me. And he's like, nope. And he points a gun at him. You're gonna go do it. He's like, well, shooting me won't get you what you want. And he goes, you know what, Dr. Jones, you're absolutely right. And he shoots Henry, Indy's father, in the stomach, which, as other movies have told us, you're gonna bleed out. Bleed out, but it takes a long time. It hurts like hell, but it's not gonna. You're not gonna die right away. He's got some time, but of course, his time is now limited. If he doesn't, you know there's not a hospital nearby, right? There's no doctor. They can go get nine. These are the wrong kinds of doctors. All of these doctors. Doctors, our PhDs in archaeology and whatever else. None of them are medical doctors.

Nic

Is there a doctor in a house call?

Steve

There's at least four. At least.

Nic

I don't know if doctors on this zeppelin, but they're all archaeologists.

Steve

I don't know if Donovan's a doctor, but. But Schneider. And both Joneses and Brody are all doctors, but they're all, you know, PhDs anyway. So he. Donovan mentions the Only the healing power of the Grail can save him. Like, you don't have a choice if you want to save your dad, go get it. Yep. Right. So he's got the book, he's got the diary. He's able to go through the first clue to get through the first devices that the penitent man will pass. And penitent, of course, means like, humble and kneeling. So that's when he realizes he needs to drop those knees. I don't know how that prepared him for the other blade that comes across the floor that he has to roll out of the way of. Yeah. What the hell was going on there? In fact, if you did a full penitent bow, that one would have cut your head off because your hair would have been all the way to the ground. Very strange little booby trap. And I. I don't know how it's. They never really explained why Indy was aware enough to avoid it, but.

Nic

And then how many kids in church were kneeling and then rolling as, like their official. Neil. They're like, well, this is the way you do it.

Steve

That's how the pennants do not get.

Nic

Your head chopped exactly.

Steve

Right.

Nic

Yeah. So then he has to do that, and then the next one. I think that there are floor tiles.

Steve

With different letters on.

Nic

He has to spell out. They determine you have to spell out the name of God. And then they're like, okay, so that would be Jehovah, but wait, the Latin spelling of it, you know, so it's different. He had stepped on the J and like, immediately fell through to just this horrifying. We don't really get a lot of visibility into that area.

Steve

It looks bad. Terrible. A lot of stalagmites ready to, you know, impale you.

Nic

Oh, yeah.

Steve

And yeah, that. That rock crumbled like paper. Like it was like crazy right through.

Nic

Like he didn't put his full weight on it and it took him through. So he's able to spell out the correct name of God to move on to the final one.

Steve

Right. What was the final one is like a leap of faith, basically. It's only from a leap from the lion's head or whatever. And I've never fully understood how this works, but it looks like it's some kind of optical illusion that makes it look like there's no platform, no bridge there. But he does end up sort of, you know, just stepping out right from the lion's head and sure enough, lands on a solid piece of. Of stone and is able to walk across, across. And he smartly grabs some. Some like, you know, just dirt or whatever, some dust or gravel and throws it back out onto it to, like, make it more obvious. But, you know, the whole thing was clearly stone. It's not like it was glass or something that would be see throughable. I don't know why that would be such a trick. Like what this supposed optical illusion was. It made that impossible to see, but it does seem like if you tilted your head slightly, you would see it. But anyway, he gets across, which leads him into this sort of final chamber with this knife knight who's sitting there waiting for him, who looks very old and tries to attack Indy, but can't even lift his sword. He falls back, whatever, and.

Nic

And then he's just like, you've bested me.

Steve

Yeah, exactly right. You beat me. Mortal Kombat or whatever? And he. And he explains to Indy that he's waiting for a knight to come relieve him, basically to take over.

Nic

Yeah. And did he say something about he'd been there for 700 years or something like that?

Steve

700 years.

Nic

So this night then, had clearly tried. Drank from the.

Steve

Yes, he must have.

Nic

In order to stay right. In order to be that guard. So. So instead of there being the Holy Grail sitting there, there's the thing that I experience every single day at my House. Which is which one of these cups is mine. Why does every cup in the house have to be out right now? Why can't I just have this one? And. And there's basically, I don't know, like 30, 40, 50 of these different grails of different styles. And the knight says, okay, yeah, you're seeing here just, just pick up the grill. If you pick the wrong one, though, you're going to die.

Steve

Right. Because now Elsa and Donovan have, you know, have followed and they've entered the thing as well.

Nic

Right.

Steve

And it's like. And he's so, so many. There's how to choose. And he says, you must choose. And if you're wrong, you know, the real grail will give you life. The false grail takes it from you. Right. And so most, almost all of these are shiny, glittery gold, gem encrusted, you know, whatever. And so Donovan is like, he doesn't want to pick. Basically. He's kind of like, I'm not trained. I don't. I don't have the education. I don't know what to do. So Elsa says, let me pick for you. And he, and he even says, thank you, doctor. Like, please do.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

And she picks one of the gaudiest, biggest, you know, cups, hands it to Donovan, and he's so impressed. And he's like, this truly is the cup of the king of kings. Oh. You know, and there's a font nearby, just like a water, you know, whatever. God knows how long that water's been sitting.

Nic

I know. Seriously? Yeah.

Steve

The 700 year old water. So he goes over and he like dips the cup into it and he takes the sip or whatever and everything's like, okay for a moment. And then the thing I love is the first thing that happens is John Williams score changes slightly. The music like dips an octave and becomes a little. I think it switches from a major to a minor key.

Nic

And suddenly you see the look overcome his face.

Steve

Yes. Where it's like everything doesn't feel right. Yeah.

Nic

This isn't what living forever feel like.

Steve

And.

Nic

And we get a really brutal, cool, like, and satisfying, you know, just like rapid death decay of this guy. As if he goes through, you know, 30 years of like, oh, at least everything all at once.

Steve

Yeah. His hair grows long. His skin initially just his face gets gaunt until the skin starts melting off it. At one point, it looks like there's maggots crawling over his face, eating him. And he's of course, right in, in Dr. Schneider's face. And she's Screaming until finally Indy pushes him away and he like literally flies against the wall and like shatters. So Donovan is gone.

Nic

He's dead.

Steve

It. This reminded me obviously anyone who's seen the first Raiders of the Lost Ark. The, the, the. When the ark of the Covenant is opened and the Nazis faces are melting, like this felt very much like we needed to do that. Something similar to that.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

But it's also if you're a Disney fan at the end of Tangled, when Mother Gothel ages rapidly before falling out the tower window. Very similar. Obviously not as brutal in the Disney version, but.

Nic

But yeah, very nice.

Steve

Yeah. So now Indy and Elsa have to pick the right one.

Nic

He still has to choose. Right. And he's looking at all. And like you said, these are all mostly like gaudy and things. And he's like, okay, well I'm going to go for like a humble cup because Jesus was a humble carpenter.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

You know those humble people we know who are like, I'm the son of God, you know, you need to follow me for eternal life. Like those kind of people that are super chill and humble. So he was like, yeah, that's probably like one of those kind of cups. It also said property of Jesus XXL athletic department on the side of it.

Steve

Actually he had etched his initials into the bottom from when he made it in shop class. Yeah. So it was like before firing it, he etched a JC in the bottom.

Nic

His house cup. So he picked the right one. He picked the right one and Indy took a sip from it just to make sure it.

Steve

To make sure kill him basically.

Nic

Right, right. And then realizes, okay, well I'm not dead. Let's go give it to dad.

Steve

Right. But the, but the knight warns him like the grail cannot.

Nic

You can't leave this area, can't pass.

Steve

There's a great seal in the temple, in the entrance, entryway. The grail cannot go past the seal. That's the, that's the price of eternal life, is you get to live in this temple, in this, in this tiny booby trapped cavern.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

You can live forever, but if you want to live any longer, you can't leave. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you could keep coming back and forth.

Nic

I guess come back in a trip.

Steve

Yeah. Make a trip back every year or.

Nic

So just to like just refresh.

Steve

I don't know how long, I don't know how long it recharges your batteries for. But like, you know, but anyway, so they are going to take it out to heat heal Henry to heal his dad. And sure enough, you Know, they give him some sips and then actually pour it on. The gunshot wound.

Nic

Yeah. And it looked like hydrogen peroxide.

Steve

Really? It was like. It kind of cleaned it and. Which I'm. All I'm thinking is that bullet, that was a relatively small caliber weapon that shot him. It didn't go through the back end.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

So now the bullet's just in him.

Nic

I know, right? Take the bullet out. Oh, real quick. Back to when Donovan picked the Grail. I thought it was really cool when he takes it and he goes through this whole dying sequence, and then the night goes. He chose poorly.

Steve

Which I think they ended up using as, like, a Pepsi campaign. This song where it was like, you know, because it was like, choose Pepsi, Right? Coke. The Pepsi challenge. And it was like somebody came in and it was a bunch of, like, sodas and thing. And the night. The same actor playing the night scene in the commercial, the guy picks up a Coke and, like, he chose poor. You know, it doesn't, like, kill him, but, like, it's like, oh, it's not as good. Not as good as Pepsi, but. Yeah. But then that was the thing, too. When he says to Jones before he tells him that he can't take it past the seal, he said, you chose wisely. So he confirms that they do have the right thing. It heals Henry up. And then it's like all of the locals and some of the other Nazis, all the guys that are left, basically, besides Brody and Sala, Henry and Indian Elsa run, because they've seen this guy get healed now. And they're just like, I'm not dealing with that crap. I'm out of here. So they bolt. Now it's just the five of them. And, you know, it's time to leave, basically, and they're going to go. But Elsa has decided, we can take it with us. We've got it, Indy. We can go. We can take it with us. And she starts stepping backwards.

Nic

And he's like, hey, Elsa, let it go.

Steve

Yes. Nailed it.

Nic

Fucking last episode ever.

Steve

We got to get a frozen reference in every episode now. But, yeah, so it's like, you know, hey, stop. The knight told us. He warned us, don't do this. Don't do this. And of course, as she crosses the center of the seal, you know, earthquake, things start falling. Massive stuff is opening up, you know, crevices in the ground. It's total chaos. She drops the Grail at one point. Point. And. And tries to, like, dive for it.

Nic

Yeah.

Steve

But just pushes it. It's like, look, did you Play shortstop. Because if not, don't try to dive for something like that. That's not going to work. But, you know, so there's all this chaos going on. She ends up hanging off of part of the open crevasse. And Indy grabs one of her hands, but she takes the other one away to reach for the grail. It's just out of her reach. You know, she's like, I can get it. I can get it. And he's like, elsa, I can't hold you. I can't hold you, dog. Give me your other hand. You know? And sure enough, she was. And she slips through his hands and falls into probably that room that we saw, probably whatever that is. He's just. She's under there now. Now, Indy is sort of like, falls, and he's also sort of hanging. And Henry goes to help him.

Nic

Luckily, Andy doesn't reach for the cup.

Steve

That's right. And it's the one time that Dr. Jones, Dr. Hendrix, calls his son Indiana. He says, okay, Indiana, let it go. And he dies. And they. They're able to get out as the temple crashes around them. But, yeah, it's the one and only time that Connery's character refers to Indy as Indiana.

Nic

All right.

Steve

Every other time, he calls him Junior. I don't think we've mentioned that, but he literally calls him Junior the entire movie.

Nic

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so. So he saves the day, pulls him out of there, and everyone's safe.

Steve

Yeah, seems like.

Nic

And, yeah, and we get to kind of ride off into the sunset. I mean, it really preserved everything in case they were going to do another one of these.

Steve

Yeah, well, and that's the thing is that the concept of the Indiana Jones, you know, series of films, everything in the lore around it is that it's episodic. It's meant to just be like, you could. You could put these characters into a new challenge, a new treasure to hunt, whatever it might be, and. And just run with it. And so, yeah, you got to keep everybody alive. You got to make sure that, you know, nothing has radically altered the situation any of them are in. Right. That's kind of an important part of this. I do love that we get the whole Junior explanation. Sala, at the end, he's a. Why do you keep calling him Junior? And he's like, that's his name. Henry Jones Junior. I prefer Indiana. We named the dog Indiana. At which point, my favorite John Reese Davies line of any time is, you were named after the dog.

Nic

It's good impression. That was nice.

Steve

I've been working on a John Rhys Davies for a long time.

Nic

Yeah, there's a lot of money in John Reese Davis impersonation. So I think that's a good career path.

Steve

Always think, thinking. But yeah, that's basically. I do. There was actually one other solid line that I would mention is when. When. At one point when I can't remember exactly what happens, but I think it's after Donovan and Elsa go in to follow. They get a hold of the guns of somebody and. And Salah turns to the guys that still have their weapons. It goes, drop your guns, please. This is so polite like. But yeah, so that's Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

Nic

That's Indy.

Steve

Yeah. Yeah.

Nic

This was a fun one.

Steve

Oh man.

Nic

Yeah, and I'm glad I've seen it. I. Yeah. Not seen it before. I didn't know how much Nazi stuff there was. And like now talking through this, it is like there's like 15 action sequences throughout this. It just keeps going. Really. It's really jam packed and it is just. Yeah, it's just really exciting and fun the whole way through.

Steve

Do you want to give your. Give your full rating review?

Nic

Yeah, I'll give my full rating. Review. I do want to revisit one of the cast members who we didn't talk about as much here just because I have nowhere else to say this, but this is the second movie in a row that we've done that has featured the late, great River Phoenix. Right. And River Phoenix was kind of. He was an upand cominging star in the late 80s, early 90s. I think he probably died in like.

Steve

92, 93, something in that ballpark.

Nic

Pretty early.

Steve

Sneakers was 92 shortly after that.

Nic

Yeah. And. And he was like well known and, and like beloved among a lot of people.

Steve

Yeah.

Nic

And I just wanted to read this quote. One of a friend of his said this about him. This is a part of poetry from the friend. There's a river born to be a giver Keep you warm, won't let you shiver his heart is never going to wither. Come on everybody, time to deliver. And this was a good friend of his named Anthony Kiedis. And the way he delivered this tribute, as we would all want it to be, is there's a river with the beginning. It's just so funny that someone could write like beautiful words to you and then they just sing it in the Anthony Kiedis voice and it ruins everything.

Steve

I think. I think River Phoenix is better off having died.

Nic

I think he's really. It's better that he wasn't alive for this song. Yeah. So anyway, River Phoenix. I love River Phoenix. So shout out to him. For being in two films in a row, I thought this was a lot of fun, to be honest. Like, just because I didn't grow up around this, it didn't grab me as much. Much as it. As I'm sure it would have if I were younger. But it looked really cool. And the talent level involved in this was really incredible. Yeah, the pace of it, the music, everything was great. So I'm gonna give this one a four out of five. I thought it was super fun. Just a little ding for me. Just because I wasn't, like, it didn't hit me at the exact right time, but I had nothing wrong with this. And yeah, just a really fun way to end the. The trilogy and have this character never appear.

Steve

Never appear in anything ever again. Yeah, that's totally, totally reasonable. I. For me, this is one of those movies, you know, that was a major part of my childhood, a major part of my growing up. Just the Indiana Jones mythos altogether was just something that was a major thing for me. I grew up going to Disneyland, and in 95 they opened up the Indiana Jones ride. That became like one of my favorite things ever. Just everything Indiana Jones I searched for.

Nic

We didn't talk about the ride, but the ride. I mean, that. That is really amazing.

Steve

Yeah, I've been. I was looking for the hat. I wanted one of those felt fedoras, but they don't look good to me. I have an enormous knob and I wear like a size 8 and a quarter hat or something like that. So just. It always looked weird to be a tall fedora sitting on my head. I'm glad I never got it. But, like, for years I was like, I'm gonna find the right hat. I gotta look like Indy. Anyway, this is, I think, the best of the Indiana Jones films, in my opinion. I still love Raiders. Lost Ark, Temple of Doom, to me is like, okay, I'm not a big Temple of Doom fan, but I love Raiders and I love this one. This, to me, does. Does tick all the boxes for what we've sort of referred to as primarily perfect movies. So this one is a perfect movie for me. It is a five out of five. I give no notes to Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade. I think it even handles the mythology stuff well. Indy himself is clearly not like a true believer in any sense. You know, obviously there's times where he sort of has to like, take things in faith to make sure they were. But you know, he does it because he wants to save his dad or do whatever. So I think that, you know, we. We can have this mythology and not have to be browbeaten about the moral implications of it, other than keep it away from not Nazis. That's an easy thing.

Nic

Yeah. I mean, the best way to justify, you know, essentially antiquities theft is just be like, well, if we don't do it, the Nazis are gonna do.

Steve

That's one thing I don't love about the hole. That belongs in a museum. It belongs with the original owner's, like.

Nic

In a museum in the country that it came from, at least. Right?

Steve

Yes. You mean the National Museum of Portugal? Sure, go ahead.

Nic

This belongs in the Queen's Gallery.

Steve

Right, Exactly. So, yeah, So a nine out of ten from the Two Dads for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

Nic

Yes.

Steve

Fantastic movie, a ton of fun. And, Nic, this was my pick, so you got to tell us, what are we watching next?

Nic

Okay, well, yeah, this was super fun. For this next one, I think we're going to go away from the action adventure. We're going to go back to a comedy, which I feel like is kind of an adventure of a comedy because of what the character has to go through. And we're going back to 1985. We're going to. We're going to see an actor we haven't seen yet, Richard Pryor.

Steve

Okay.

Nic

And then one that we've seen a bit so far, John Candy.

Steve

All right.

Nic

And this is 1985 film Brewster's Millions.

Steve

Nice.

Nic

Basically, Richard Pryor's character is inheriting a certain amount of money, which, if he can spend it all, he'll get even more money. And it's very fun exercise to go through. I really like this one as a kid. I think it holds up, and I think it'll be a lot of fun to talk about.

Steve

So this is gonna be fun because I have never seen Brewsters. Oh, I'm aware of it. I've seen some clips, like the clip of. Of him getting the. The. The. The reading of the will over the video, learns what he has to do. I've seen that, like, a hundred times in different contexts, but I've never seen Brewster's Millions. My wife is a huge fan of this movie.

Nic

She loves it.

Steve

So she was very excited to hear that we would be doing this movie at some point. And, yeah, I'm really excited for it. Richard Pryor is a genius. There's other Richard Pryor movies I've seen and loved, and so, you know, very much into it. And yeah, that, looking forward to to that. That'll be next week. You know folks, if you're out there listening and you enjoy what you heard, please head on over to Apple or to Spotify. Throw us a five star review. It helps people find the podcast. You can follow us as well so you never miss an episode to come up. Every Wednesday, 5am Pacific, 8am Eastern, every Wednesday, you'll get a new 2Dads1 movie. If you want to send us an email, let us know how we're doing or talk, ask us questions or tell us we're idiots or whatever, you can do that at the show at 2dads11movie.com. That's the number two. The number one. This has been Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, another episode of 2 Dads 1 Movie. I'm Steve.

Nic

And I'm Nic.

Steve

Thank you all so much for listening and we will talk to you next week.

Nic

All right.